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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2003, 13:11 
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Carl Rochelle of MSNBC reports a Stryker went down an embankment, killing 3 soldiers, not a good start.


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2003, 13:13 
Ugh.

Anyone got a link for this story?

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one can only hope the vehicle was a total loss.

Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

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BTW I am not saying the Stryker caused the fall down the embankment, just that this is not an auspicious start for the Stryker brigade that just started operations in Iraq.


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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... ker08.html

3 soldiers from Fort Lewis-based Stryker brigade killed in Iraq

By Hal Bernton
Seattle Times staff reporter

Three soldiers from the Fort Lewis-based Stryker brigade died last night in northern Iraq when the collapse of a roadside embankment sent two of their vehicles tumbling into an irrigation canal, according to Army officials.
It's a sober start for the brigade that arrived in Iraq only a few days ago for a 12-month tour of duty with its armored, eight-wheeled Stryker vehicles. These are the first new Army fighting vehicles in 20 years and have been assigned to combat patrols north of Baghdad, where the insurgency movement is strongest.

The accident occurred as two of the Stryker vehicles were on combat patrol near the town of Ad Duluiyah north of Baghdad, according to Master Sgt. Robert Cargie, an Army spokesman reached yesterday in Iraq. It has been raining in recent days, and as the vehicles drove along a rural road, the embankment gave way. The vehicles then rolled into the canal.

An injured solider was sent to a combat-support hospital in the town of Balad. The names of the dead soldiers are being withheld pending notification of families, Cargie said.

Both of the vehicles were recovered, and the Army will investigate the cause of the incident, he said.

Each Stryker vehicle can carry up to 11 soldiers and is designed to operate at top speeds of more than 60 miles per hour. The Fort Lewis brigade is built around 309 Strykers, which are outfitted with high-tech computers to help scout the enemy and communicate among units.

They are intended to offer more protection than Humvees and trucks, yet be quicker — and easier to ship to battle — than tanks. Army officials are planning to spend at least $9 billion to outfit six brigades with the Strykers and see them as a possible stepping stone for the force of the future.

The Fort Lewis 3rd Brigade 2nd Division is the first to be certified for combat. The brigade and associated unit totaling some 5,000 soldiers arrived in Kuwait last month, along with the Strykers and a complement of Humvees, trucks and other vehicles.

At the end of its stay in Kuwait, the brigade unit experienced two setbacks.

Nov. 29, a female soldier reported she was raped near a shower trailer. That report is now under investigation by Army officials.

Friday, two soldiers still in Kuwait were wounded before dawn when a 40 mm grenade from a MK19 automatic grenade launcher apparently misfired in the weapon.




The soldiers, who have not been identified, were replacing a .50-caliber machine gun atop a Stryker vehicle with the MK19 when the accident occurred. One soldier suffered a cut on his thigh; the other suffered a shrapnel wound just above his left knee and was sent to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany.

The soldiers were part of the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry regiment. The commander of the unit, Lt. Col. Karl Reed, yesterday ordered all soldiers to undergo a refresher on safety-certification training on the .50-caliber machine gun and the MK19.

"We got lucky," he said. "We are lucky we are not burying two soldiers."

By the time the Strykers left Kuwait, all of the vehicles were fortified with an extra layer of armor, a steel cage intended to offer additional protection against insurgents armed with powerful, shoulder-fired grenade launchers. This armor has added more than 5,000 pounds of additional weight and turned the Strykers into a wider and less nimble vehicle.

But their initial movement into Iraq went well, rolling some 500 miles to arrive at their new base north of Baghdad, according to Reed.



Edited by - ViperTTB on Dec 09 2003 12:58 PM


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2003, 13:55 
thx bro.

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Despite that it was a striker.

you need to ask yourself this. would you rather be in a hummer with a 50 Cal? or a Stryker with a 50 Cal with a few extra buddies to jump out the back and start laying some smack down.

Only bad thing about the stryker is they should of lefdt it like the marines LAV25 with the Bushmaster 25mm Main gun.

Hummers have killed allot of folks in vehicle accidents during this whole campaign... But nobody is bitching about that.

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Mudd, I agree with your point in the context of, the Stryker muscling in on the Hummvee's turf. Its when TPTB try to have the Stryker butt in on the Abrahms turf that I start getting all those feelings anger management warned me about.

Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

edit: I shouldn't post before my coffee... my edit should make some of this more readable.

Edited by - stinger on Dec 10 2003 08:24 AM

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Thats where the Bradly or LAv25/Tow version is handy....

although my idea of individual equipment includes an ATV , Mk19 and a javelin or a bunch of AT-4's at instant reach. No need to MOUT assault a building, Just send the rocket inside to do the dirty work.

Got a car running a checkpoint, no problem. 20 Grunts with Mk19's...Talk about a slaughter.

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just thought I'd throw this in in lol
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apparently the "dual purpose" is:
#1 destroy the target
#2 remove all evidence of targets existance
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