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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2004, 17:33 
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By STEPHEN SHERMAN

A turning point may have been reached in the Iowa caucuses when Special Forces Lt. James Rassmann came forward to thank John Kerry for saving his life in Vietnam. Although Mr. Rassmann, like most of my veteran friends, is a Republican, he said that he'd vote for Mr. Kerry. I don't know if the incident
influenced the caucus results. But I took special interest in the story because Jim served in my unit.

Service in Vietnam is an important credential to me. Many felt that such service was beneath them, and
removed themselves from the manpower pool. That Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans; that his service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and a Silver
Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling. Unfortunately, Mr. Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried in 1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and
emceed the Winter Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans believe these protests
led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of the people
on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken. But being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW and even testified before Congress on the findings of the
Investigation, which he accepted at face value.

In his book "Stolen Valor," B.G. Burkett points out that Mr. Kerry liberally used phony veterans to testify
to atrocities they could not possibly have committed. Mr. Kerry later threw what he represented as his awards at the Capitol in protest. But as the war diminished as a political issue, he left the VVAW, which was a bit too radical for his political future, and was ultimately elected to the Senate. After his awards were seen framed on his office wall, he claimed to have thrown away someone else's medals -- so now he can reclaim his gallantry in Vietnam.

Mr. Kerry hasn't given me any reason to trust his judgment. As co-chairman of the Senate investigating
committee, he quashed a revealing inquiry into the POW/MIA issue, and he supports trade initiatives with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam while blocking any legislation requiring Hanoi to adhere to basic
human rights. I'm not surprised that there are veterans who support a VVAW activist, if only because there are so few fellow veterans in politics. Ideally, there'd be many more. If you are going to vote on military appropriations, it would be nice if you didn't disrespect the soldiers. Congress hasn't had the courage to declare war in more than 60 years, despite numerous instances in which we have sent our military in harm's way. Of all the "lessons of Vietnam," surely one is that America needs a leader capable of demonstrating in himself, and encouraging in others, the resolve to finish what they have collectively started. But the bond between veterans has to be tempered in light of the individual's record. Just as Mr. Kerry threw away medals only to claim them back again, Sen. Kerry voted to take action against Iraq, but claims to take that vote back by voting against funding the result. So I can understand my former comrade-in-arms hugging the man who saved his life, but not the act of choosing him for president out of gratitude. And I would hate to see
anyone giving Mr. Kerry a sympathy vote for president just because being a Vietnam veteran is "back in style."

Mr. Sherman was a first lieutenant with the U.S. Army Fifth Special Forces Group (Airborne) in Vietnam,
1967-68.

Updated January 26, 2004


--- William Eberle
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See I knew you couldnt trust anyone east of Worcester. Especially someone that pals around with Teddy. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH BOTH PARTIES

A COUNTRY 280 MILLION,AND THIS IS THE POOL TO CHOOSE FROM.

IT GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS.

I GOT A QUESTION,HAS ANY OF YOU VOTED WITH THE "OPTICAL SCANNER MACHINES" YET?


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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2004, 19:30 
Kerry is a politician, so therefore no doubt a liar, but the man was a USN SEAL and decorated combat veteran, so he has my utmost respect.

I still wouldn't vote for him though. The soldier Kerry died when the politician Kerry was born. At least to me.

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I though it was sen. <i>Bob</i> Kerry who was the SEAL.

John McCain, staying in the "Hanoi Hilton", made the biggest sacrifice out of the 3 Vietnam Vets in question(Clark, Kerry, and McCain) and he still lost the nomination. Serving in a foreign war does not exactly mean having an open invitation to the presidency; I hope the good gentleman from Mass. realizes that.



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bob kerry was a seal. john kerry was a pt boat driver from what i understand

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Yeah Koobster you got it right. But John Kerry isnt a money guy by birth. I kinda like that. To me that says he has only beeen out of touch with the working man since he has been a politician. He got his money from the wife who is a Heinz.

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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2004, 09:25 
Ah, he was just a mudwater squid?

LOL....screw him then. ;)

How does a PT boat crewman earn the bronze and silver stars in vietnam?

Do you mean a PBR crewman?

PS....Kerry IS a rich new englander...i doubt he has any concept of 'regular life'. Just another tax raising socail elitist.

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<i>PS....Kerry IS a rich new englander...i doubt he has any concept of 'regular life'. Just another tax raising socail elitist.</i>

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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2004, 10:14 
Socail elitists seem to think they know how to manage all aspects of my life better than me.

I really do despise those sorts.

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Oh yeah...who doesn't love those elitist type people that lord over us nobodies?

I ever tell ya about "Sick"? A "I so am better than you" model I had to put up with in Atlantic City.

"Your calling <b>me</b> a liar?"

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IT JUST REALLY SHOWS NO MATTER WHAT PARTY,YOU GOT TO BE RICH TO LAND A JOB THAT PAYS $400,000 PLUS BENEFITS

I CHANGED MY PARTY TO GET A BALLOT IN THE PRIMARY,WHY GET A REPUBLICAN ONE THIS TIME

AND KERRY'S WIFE HAVING A $ 500,000,000.00 TRUST KIND OF HARD TO SEE THEM ON THE BLUE COLLAR LEVEL.

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<i>AND KERRY'S WIFE HAVING A $ 500,000,000.00 TRUST KIND OF HARD TO SEE THEM ON THE BLUE COLLAR LEVEL.</i>

Yeah, it true; however you gotta' admit: it's good ketchup :)


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Did some reading last night and learned some stuff that I find funny. In Massachussetts being Irish opens up all political doors. Many higher atate political jobs seem to be off limits if you arent Irish. I guess that leaves a royalist Englishman with a Jewish last name like me out of the race. Anyhoo. I dont know why these things are like this in my state but they are. Lets see Kennedy, Olver, Neal and Kerry. That would say it all. This is what I find humorous. For years Massachusetts has embraced Kerry as an old New England blood Irishman. He played it wonderfully, they let him in. Kerry is actually Jewish, verry old new England stock, but Jewish. His grandfather shortened the name many years ago. It is funny how Howard Dean got raked over the coals about the Christianity thing a few weeks ago, but Kerry escaped.


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ITS FUNNY HOW THEY ALL "FIND GOD" DURING THE ELECTION.
LIBERMAN I THINK IS WHAT HE SAYS HE IS UP FRONT. BUT HE'LL NEVER GET ELECTED.

IN ILLINOIS ALL YOU GOT TO DUE HERE TO BE A POLITICAN IS TO HAVE FAMILY IN STATE GOV OR HAVE GIVEN MONEY TO DAILY,BE RICHER THAN THE NEXT GUY OR JUST FLAT OUT BUY YOUR WAY IN.

RYAN'S GOING TO PRISON,AND I BET HE'LL TAKE ALOT WITH HIM IN THE END.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2004, 14:16 
I didn't know Kerry was Jewish(no surprise since i thought he was a SEAL, lol).

I guess that pretty much kills his chances. There are still tons of jew haters in America.

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I didn't know Kerry was Jewish(no surprise since i thought he was a SEAL, lol).

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He drove a Swift boat and worked often with SpecWar types. Besides his SS and BS with a V, he picked up 3 Hearts.

Brown Water Navy in Nam took some serious hits too. Kinda of funny, how quick after Nam, they dumped the Brown Water operations.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2004, 17:28 
OK, PBR makes a lot more sense than PT boat!



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OK, PBR makes a lot more sense than PT boat!

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Those puppies were loaded for Bear. Couple of books on Brown Water Ops also. I knew some of the folks on them. They were kinda of nuts after the War. They were big targets cruising up a river really slow and at times real narrow.

Hey we ended up with Jacuzzis, from the PBR's jet pump.

Kerry inserted SEALs, more than a few times and picked them up. Got a source that they loved Kerry for being there when it hit the fan.

This Chief I knew driving PBRs. Went back to train folks in them. He use to run them under the anchor chains of the ghost fleet in San Fran Bay somewhere to ensure they knew how to drive them well. He was beyond nuts and former Merchant Mariner in WW2.

The famed PT boats of WW2 were pretty much burned up in the Pacific. Saw some PBS piece on it. They yanked the weaponry and burned the boats on site. John Wayne did run one for a bit in SoCal. He finally bought his famed minesweeper and converted it to his liking.

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did you see Kerry believes the war on terror is law enforcement issue, we should indict then ask countries to hand these bastards over to us. What a nieve fool.


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PostPosted: 01 Feb 2004, 11:28 
That was Klintons spin on this too.

We already know how that worked out.

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