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ELECTION 2004
Did Kerry make up jet-pilot story?
Seasoned flyers doubt yarn about taking controls over Israel

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Posted: May 5, 2004
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It's been a tough week for John Kerry's credibility.

He's been called unfit to be commander in chief by many of his Vietnam comrades and commanders.

He's been criticized for accepting a Purple Heart for what amounts to a scratch on his arm treated with a Band-Aid.

Now, seasoned jet pilots are calling into question his latest claim – taking the controls of a fighter and flying it over Israel in 1991.

Kerry told the story Monday in a speech to the Anti-Defamation League. He claimed it gave him a different perspective on Israel. He said probably no one else in the room has seen the country upside down from an Israeli Air Force jet.

He asserted that authorities in Israel kept denying his request to fly one of their planes, but that the colonel who was showing him around Israel during a 1991 visit not only got him into a trainer, but let him take the controls.

"I take it off, we go up into the sky, climb up, head down toward Aqaba," the senator said. "And I wanted to look at Aqaba, so I'm coming down over Aqaba, and I suddenly hear this voice on the intercom, and he says, 'Senator, you'd better turn faster, you're going over Egypt.'"

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Kerry said the colonel then gave him permission to do "a little aerobatics" and that he made a loop at about 12,000 feet.

"To be able to come out upside down and look down and catch the horizon in back of me and see all the way down into the Sinai to the old base that had been given up, all the way across into Jordan, all the way out into the Gulf of Aqaba, and to see Israel beneath me, and the lines contained, and to see it all upside down was the perfect way to see the Middle East and Israel," he said.

But Internet boards were abuzz with skeptics – some of them seasoned jet pilots themselves.

"I'm sorry but I don't believe for a second much of what John Kerry says," wrote Ron Pera, himself a veteran Navy combat fighter pilot."

I believe even less that he makes the comment he took off the jet trainer that he reportedly flew over Israel."

FreeRepublic.com and other bulletin board sites were inundated with similar posts.

"First of all jets are more difficult to take off than propeller planes because they accelerate much faster and the speed they need to get airborne is much higher," Pera wrote in an email to WND. "This requires more precise control and you will not have that the first time you are in the plane. It takes practice to get those skills, a lot of it. Second of all no rational military trained pilot would take the chance of hurdling off the runway at 160 mph just to let some bigwig handle the controls. Takeoffs and landing are two of the most dangerous times during an aircraft flight. Once you are tens of thousands of feet in the air then it is much, much safer to let some inexperienced person take the controls since you have time and altitude to regain control. This is not a blessing on the ground."

Pera added that unless Kerry many hours flying military aircraft "it is next to impossible he took the plane off."

"I speak from experience as a former Navy fighter pilot and I have no problems releasing ALL of my records," he wrote. "Will Kerry flip-flop on this statement also or just yell at whoever asks the question?"


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Damn, crash and burn! This dude is gettin hit more than a pinata at a mexican birthday party. Sucks to be him...

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"First of all jets are more difficult to take off than propeller planes because they accelerate much faster and the speed they need to get airborne is much higher," Pera wrote in an email to WND. "This requires more precise control and you will not have that the first time you are in the plane. It takes practice to get those skills, a lot of it. Second of all no rational military trained pilot would take the chance of hurdling off the runway at 160 mph just to let some bigwig handle the controls. Takeoffs and landing are two of the most dangerous times during an aircraft flight. Once you are tens of thousands of feet in the air then it is much, much safer to let some inexperienced person take the controls since you have time and altitude to regain control. This is not a blessing on the ground." <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I will be the first to say, having had a relationship with the IDF in Both Active Military, operational, training Activities and Manufacturer work, that.....They do shit like this all the Time. They have some Ballsy Young High ranking officers that are very good at what they do... I wouldnt expect them to Put kerry in a Bird with a Rookie. IF Sen Kerry became a fatality....It would be a very very serious EVENT.

Senetor Kerry is a "US GOVT policy maker" Isreal love them, for they are their Cash Cow. Ive seen Elected officials do some serious Crazy stuff afforded to them by foreign parties.....

Now the take off Issue its an obvious Flag. him being in the Jet, i have no doubts about that, Hell Isreal would even lie about it to keep the bank roll comeing. We dont know about the prepatory events that took place before the flight or what Aviator experiance he has had.

State Dept and Secret Service will squash any investigation by any party, you can expect the IDF to do the same.


Ive had NFO's, and others Do some things by protocol they Should not be doing. That is the sole responsebility of the PIC. TO insure those safety procautions are taken care of and that Whoever got that rare incite, Keeps their Blow Whole shut for the their whole life about it....and everyone is happy.

saying "i took off flew to the borders rooled inverted..blah blah blah...Well its a minor white lie. I guess he didnt feel it honorable to say he was crewed up with an excellent IDF pilot and representivie of the Isreali Defense Forces/Govt."

I am not makeing a political statement about this, or party affiliation. I think it helps explain circumstances of how, Well known Statesman stretch the flavor of their statements and Opportunities that others are not afforded for political reasons.

I will say this as a statement. Thats good on Sen Kerry to represent his democratic party that has the Majority of the Jewish-isreali american vote. To experiance first hand the things that effect the Isreali people and military to hopefully gain a experiance about haveing an informed fiorst hand opinion on the relationship and policy makeing.

This is something all Policy makers need, and they should be afforded these opportunities.

The problem surfaceing john Kerry with Veterens is his Vietnam service and the Defense cuts he took part of. So obviously many veterens will discount anything john kerry says becasue they dont feel he has credibility. but we shouldnt blind ourselves to the Facts. and that is definately what is takeing place. Veterens want to know the truth. Isreal has their own agenda, and will do what it takes to win bargaining chips with any US polic maker.

We do the same for them and other foriegn parties. Its how geopolitics works.

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Edited by - mrmudd on May 05 2004 08:30 AM


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lets see, war hero, fighter pilot... I predict his next claim will be "race car driver" or "secret agent". So far he sounds like every third person I meet on the net.

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YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD MUDD,

I CAN BELIEVE THAT HE GOT THE CONTROLS OF A IDF AND PLAYED "FIGTHER ACE",
MAYBE SOME OF THE "MANUVERS"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
BUT I'VE SEEN "BIG" SHOTS GET TO HANDLE CONTROLS ON A PLANE,HELL EVEN R.LEE THE GUNNY SGT GOT TO FLY A F-15E ON HIS SHOW.

THE OLD "GOOSE" AS A YOUNG DCC GOT STICK TIME ON HIS OWN ET-39.
WELL JUST FLYING STRAIGHT AND NO FANCY CRAP.
BUT THEN WHEN THE CREW HAS TO VISIT THE CREWCHIEF SEAT ( THE CREW CHIEF ON A T-39 SITS ON THE TOLIET) YOU TAKE THEIR PLACE FOR W/B OF ARCFT.

TO ME ITS REALLY NO DIFF THEN BUSH LANDING ON THE CARRIER.,BUSH WAS JUST ONE TIME A PILOT.

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Gore must be looking over his shoulder about now...Kerry's bound to insist HE invented the Internet! <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> What is it with these recent Democrats?

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BOTH SIDES ARE STUPPING TO NEW LOWS,

WHO KNOWS WHO HAS SOMEONE ELSE BEHIND WHOEVER.

IT MAKES ME REALLY START BELIEVING IN A ROOM SOMEWHERE THEIR IS A BUNCH OF RICH PEOPLE FLIPPING A COIN TO DISIDE WHO RUNS WHAT.

BOOMER ,YOU MUST ME RUBBING OFF ON ME.

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hey I didnt rub nothin folks <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Kerry should be every American's worst nightmare.

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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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"Well its a minor white lie."

"So obviously many veterens will discount anything john kerry says becasue they dont feel he has credibility."

You Said it...

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