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PostPosted: 31 May 2004, 15:51 
With siege lifted, Fallujah transforms into Islamic city-state

By Hamza Hendawi
Associated Press

FALLUJAH, Iraq — With Marines gone and central government authority virtually nonexistent, Fallujah resembles an Islamic mini-state — anyone caught selling alcohol is flogged and paraded in the city. Men are encouraged to grow beards and barbers are warned against giving “Western” hair cuts.

“After all the blood that was shed, and the lives that were lost, we shall only accept God’s law in Fallujah,” said cleric Abdul-Qader al-Aloussi, offering a glimpse of what a future Iraq may look like as the U.S.-led occupation draws to a close. “We must capitalize on our victory over the Americans and implement Islamic sharia laws.”

The departure of the Marines under an agreement that ended the three-week siege last month has enabled hard-line Islamic leaders to assert their power in this once-restive city 30 miles west of Baghdad.

Some were active in defending the city against the Marines and have profited by a perception — both here and elsewhere in Iraq — that the mujahedeen, or Islamic holy warriors, defeated a superpower.

Under the agreement, the Marines handed security in the city to a new Fallujah Brigade made up largely of local residents and commanded by officers of Saddam Hussein’s former army.

With the departure of the Marines, the position of the U.S.-appointed civil administration has been weakened in favor of the clerics and the mujahedeen who resisted the U.S. occupation. That is a pattern that could be repeated elsewhere in Iraq after the occupation ends June 30, unless other legitimate leaders come forward to replace those tainted by association with the occupation.

Fallujah, which calls itself the “City of Mosques,” provides the religious fundamentalists with fertile ground for wielding power. The city’s estimated 300,000 residents are known for their religious piety.

Women rarely appear in public and when they do, they are covered from head to toe in accordance with Islam’s strict dress code for women. The lives of men revolve around Islam’s tradition of praying five times a day.

Unlike other Iraqi cities, Fallujah has never allowed liquor stores. Its famous kebab restaurants have prayer rooms, an unusual feature in most Muslim nations. Many of its adult male population wear beards, a hallmark of religious piety.

However, steps taken by the mujahedeen over the past month have gone beyond simply encouraging piety.

On Sunday, for example, scores of masked mujahedeen, shouting “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is Great,” paraded four men stripped down to their underpants atop the back of a pickup truck that drove through the city. Their bare backs were bleeding from 80 lashes they had received as punishment for selling alcohol. They were taken to a hospital where they were treated and released.

Residents said a man found intoxicated last week was flogged, held overnight and released the next day.

Fallujah’s women hair stylists shut down their shops several months ago after repeated attacks blamed on Muslim militants.

On Tuesday, the mujahedeen expanded their “clean up” campaign. About 80 masked, armed men, accompanied by local police, forced hundreds of street hawkers at gun point to clear out from the streets and confine their businesses to designated areas.

The masked men later moved to the city’s used car market and “persuaded” dealers to move away from the city center because they were blocking traffic. In both cases, the police stood by without intervening.

According to residents, barbers have been instructed not to give “Western” haircuts — short on the back and sides and full on top — or to remove facial hair. Four youths with long hair were stopped at a market by mujahedeen on Sunday and marched to a public market where they were shorn.

“Are we Muslims, or not?” asked Abdul-Rahman Mahmoud, a 40-year-old father of three. “We are. So, we must apply God’s laws. The mujahedeen’s word is heard and respected, and the same goes for our clerics.”

There is little sign of opposition to the mujahedeen, though it could be that some people are simply afraid of confronting armed men.

Sheik Omar Said of the Fallujah branch of the Association of Muslim Scholars, a Baghdad-based organization created last year to defend the rights of the Sunni Arab minority, insists that nearly everyone in Fallujah really wants Islamic law.

However, he hinted that perhaps in some cases, the mujahedeen have gone too far.

“This will only come after educating society in religious matters first and then moving on to applying Islamic punishments,” he said.

However, the mujahedeen are clearly profiting from the hero status they acquired during the April battles against the Marines.

There is even talk of building a museum dedicated to the “struggle” against the American occupation. Money has been collected in recent weeks to help the families of those who died in the fighting, said by the locals to number 1,000 “martyrs.”

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U.N. troops buy sex
from teen refugees http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=38649
Where is Amnesty International on these story's? I guess they only care what america does

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Correct me if this is wrong. Even though they were only protecting the Iraqi people from us in thier deluded minds...shouldn't these so called Mujihadeen have packed up and left after the Marines pulled out of Fallujah?! Yet they stick around and are turning that city into thier own little magic kingdom.

Kind of like the Islamists trying to turn Chechnya into another Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in between Russian invasions. But the Iraqi's don't seem to be standing up to them, let alone wiping the floor with thier wannabe masters.

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Sad to say, IMHO, that if this crap is allowed to go on, then the deaths of the US soldiers that were killed in and around the city, would be for not.

It sickens me that ANY anti-coalition "militia" are allowed to "control" or even operate in Iraqi cities (Fallujah, Nahaf, etc). The message that sends to the citizens, especially the fence-sitters, is that their safety can't be guaranteed by any new government or the coalition; especially when they see the coalition sitting outside the cities allowing these militias to retain control inside the cities. Seeing that, what Iraqi civilian in their right mind would side with the coalition...especially if self-preservation is an instinct they possess? We need to clean these places out, establish who is in charge, and quit wishy-washing the situation. NO armed anti-coalition anybody should be able to operate anywhere in that country. NO deals should be struck with the shiite militia leaders (such as Sadr). Doing any of these things only makes the US seem weak in the eyes of these people. We must fight them in a manner they understand: compassion combined with brutal efficiency.

Anything less is a waste of our time, our dollars, and WILL make the deaths of EVERY US troop that died there, worth nothing.


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PostPosted: 01 Jun 2004, 07:43 
"Sad to say, IMHO, that if this crap is allowed to go on, then the deaths of the US soldiers that were killed in and around the city, would be for not."

I agree 100% Percent, however- if we had gone into Fallujah and An-Najaf with guns blazing we'd be branded as monsters by the world at large. How can you win when your 'allies' hamstring everything you do?

PS- This story has not been confirmed by any other media outlet that i've seen.



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"Sad to say, IMHO, that if this crap is allowed to go on, then the deaths of the US soldiers that were killed in and around the city, would be for not."

I agree 100% Percent, however- if we had gone into Fallujah and An-Najaf with guns blazing we'd be branded as monsters by the world at large. How can you win when your 'allies' hamstring everything you do?

PS- This story has not been confirmed by any other media outlet that i've seen.



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Agree. I always hate how the US would be criticized for any action it takes, but no one lifts a finger when, for example, the anti-coalition forces in Iraq have no problem packing ambulances with explosives and making car bombs out of them. In fact, I've seen in some editorials where people say that they're just using whatever weapons they have available to fight the US, so they can understand it! Could you imagine if we did the same thing? Took a Humvee ambulance, packed it with C-4 and parked it next to a mosque?

Unbelievebale, our "unbiased media" in this country.



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PostPosted: 01 Jun 2004, 11:36 
How bout a 3x12 ship of Hogs all loaded to the gills with Napalm?

We know what neighborhoods these jackals were basing out of, and what mosques they were hiding in.

Playing nice in war gets you beaten.

It is going to either require a major rethinking of our 'morality', or a nuclear event in the US before we get serious about the war we're fighting.

The enemy, for his part, has no such illusions of chivalry or restraint. He will do EVERYTHING in his power to send us scurrying home like beaten dogs....and then he'll follow us.

There is nowhere to hide.



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It is going to either require a major rethinking of our 'morality', or a nuclear event in the US before we get serious about the war we're fighting.

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You what's sad, Snipe? That IMO, people have forgotten about 9/11 already. At least those not in the immediate vicinity of the attacks, or that didn't lose loved ones. Where is the patriotism we saw in the says following the attack? All the proud flying of American flags I saw then has been replaced by tatterd and faded flags and flag stickers affixed to cars and trucks. On talk radio that I was listening to today (in Phoenix), one guy called in from Scottsdale complaining about how the current executive branch has taken away his freedoms. When pressed as to how his freedoms were curtailed, I figured he say something to the effect of the TSA and airport security, or something that might have some merit. His answer? That because of Bush, gas prices make it so he can't drive as much and go places as much as he wants to. And he's from North Scottsdale??? What....gas is a little high so he can't take his SUV to the local Starbucks as much as he'd like, and might miss out on his latte and low-carb bagel! Well boo-freaking-hoo.

Sadly, this guy seems to be an accurate reflection of many Americans today.

Another example: Today in the local PHX newspaper, there was the most worthless compilation of articles. Everything from how baseball is losing fanfare in Mexico, to what the dieting habits are of actresses and actors. NOTHING about the new government picked to lead Iraq. Not one article.

And that is just sad.


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PostPosted: 02 Jun 2004, 01:36 
It's no secret where the mainstream medias allegience lies.

Right now success in Iraq means a defeat for Kerry, and they can't stomach the idea in their leftist-elitist heads.

The enemy within. And the 'sheeple' buy it right up.

You're right T7, this is all very disheartening.

The amazing part is that even with all the negative coverage ad nauseum Bush is still in a deadlock with Kerry.

I'll tell ya T7, i saw ground zero in person about a week after the attacks. It looked like Beirut. The sheer scale and enormity of the destruction was something that had to be seen in person to truly appreciate. The WTC complex occupies a pretty large tract of land, and all of it was utterly destroyed. Even a week later the smell of burnt flesh was perceptible in the air.

It was surreal.

I'll never forget it for as long as i live.

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On Sunday, for example, scores of masked mujahedeen, shouting “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is Great,” paraded four men stripped down to their underpants atop the back of a pickup truck that drove through the city. Their bare backs were bleeding from 80 lashes they had received as punishment for selling alcohol. They were taken to a hospital where they were treated and released.

Residents said a man found intoxicated last week was flogged, held overnight and released the next day.

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How come there's no outrage over prisoner abuse here? Apparently only westerners are held to a genteel standard of behavior.

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