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<i>Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads featuring team
Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM; Updated: Thursday August 19, 2004 1:28PM


Salih Sadir, left, has celebrated two goals for the surprising Iraqis in Greece, but will find his return home quite sobering.
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PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday.

Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign advertisements.

In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two fewer terrorist regimes."

"Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."

The Bush campaign was contacted about the Iraqi soccer player's statements, but has yet to respond.

To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power.

But they also find it offensive that Bush is using their team for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions in Iraq. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted."

Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two weeks. Najaf lies in ruins.

"I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We want them to go away."

Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance.

"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq."

Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament.

When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is happening in America also."
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Sadly you just can't come across as doing a good thing or things for some of these that register as ungrateful fucks. There's only one way to view them...take a wild guess.

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"What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

In other words, better a safe slave than an endangered free man.

Fools.

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Whether these atheletes intend it or not, everything they do makes GWB look good. The very fact that they are not afraid to call the President of the US a "slaughterer of men and women" proves the opposite point, doesn't it? They feel free to ctiticize without fear. Anyway, they are speaking to the homeboys (in Iraq), sounding tough and patriotic. If they didn't say things in public like that they would be targets for the insurgents (organized criminals) that are the real purveyors of violence in Iraq. How long do you think they would live if they criticized those "patriots"? You see, they are still deathly afraid of some Iraqi thugs and appease them with anti American speeches. The big strong atheletes are actually pretty weak. You didn't hear a peep out of them in the Uday and Qusay days. Pathetic.

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<i>Whether theses atheletes intend it or not, everything they do makes GWB look good. The very fact that they are not afraid to call the President of the US a "slaughterer of men and women" proves the opposite point, doesn't it? They feel free to ctiticize without fear...</i>

That's pretty perceptive Stress. I fear that most people won't realize that.


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Probably because most sheeple are stupid.

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STRESS COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.

IT AINT THE USA OVER THERE,NEVER WILL BE,THEY HAVE DIFFERANT THOUGHTS,ETC... AND MOSTLY ISLAMIC BUT SOME OUR GREEK ORTHODOX.
YOU'LL NEVER GET A "US STYLE GOVERMENT" IN IRAQ OR ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS PUT A "HEAD OF GOV" IN CHARGE THATS PRO- WEST.


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YOU'LL NEVER GET A "US STYLE GOVERMENT" IN IRAQ OR ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS PUT A "HEAD OF GOV" IN CHARGE THATS PRO- WEST.
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I don't think a US style Republic will work there either. They are stuck within a tribal paradigm. Every tribe is suspicious of the other and prepared to achieve their goals by force. It should be an exciting time in Iraq for real patriots and political thinkers. I want the George Washingtons of Iraq busy hammering out a fair and just system that can represent all interests. Without the US keeping the thugs at bay, they have no chance. The same thing must have happened in Europe and Japan after WWII. What did they do then?

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I think a representitive republic has a chance to work.

When you look at the US, with the divisions between north and south, and east and west, urban and rural....it's AMAZING we manage to keep it all together. During the civil war, we obviously didn't.

Iraqi's are human beings, and as such deserve freedom. They are not pawns in a game of politics. They should be given a chance to live free before we kill them as Islamic slaves.

I think we sell humanity short when we say it cant work there. It works here, and we're just as failable as they are.

If it doesn't work after they've been given a fair and reasonable chance, then fuck it.

Nuke the shithole.

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I THINK WE FORGET SOMETIMES THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND SUCH LIKE IT OR NOT THEY CAN PRATICE AS THEY SEE FIT AS LONG AS THEY DONT BOTHER US.BUT YOU ALWAYS ARE GOING TO FIND EXTREAMIST WHO WILL DO ANYTHING FOR SELF GAIN.
RELIGION OR NOT EVERY GROUP IS LIKE THIS
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WHEN ISLAM IS GROWNING FASTER THEN ANY OTHER GROUP.

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This from an Iraqi blog

Saturday, August 21, 2004

Hurray!
Iraqi football team won against Australia 1-0 to reach the semifinal for the first time in Iraq's history. Now we are going to play for a medal! Iraq has one medal only in her Olypic record; a bronze one that we won in weight-lifting back in 1960.

This is the *BEST* acheivment Iraq has ever acheived in soccer. Strange isn't it!? Not to me! I really expected that despite the difficult life in Iraq that our athletes were going to perform better than ever, and I believe it's the effect of freedom.

Right now there is lots of shooting into the air (I don't like it but at least Iraqis are happy and it's better to waste bullets this way).

I know some of our American friends are upset with the Iraqi team because of the latest comments of some players, but this is Iraq, not 1 or 2 players and the player who said these terrible words didn't even play! I wish you could forget that idiot and join us in our celebrations, as the truth must be said, it's a victory that you helped in in so many ways.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/



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