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| Author: | Lunatock [ 07 Aug 2006, 13:03 ] |
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Unless I'm mistaken, the Butterfly is specifically known as a Zebra Swallowtail. But the pics of these Dragonflies I stalked for what seems like forever might need you help to ID them by sub-genus. The Butterfly: <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/Lunatock/Flora%20and%20Fauna/August003.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/Lunatock/Flora%20and%20Fauna/August004.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/Lunatock/Flora%20and%20Fauna/August005.jpg" border=0> Dragonflies (Don't try this in Florida): <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/Lunatock/Flora%20and%20Fauna/August002.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/Lunatock/Flora%20and%20Fauna/August006.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/Lunatock/Flora%20and%20Fauna/August007.jpg" border=0> |
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| Author: | Old Chief [ 07 Aug 2006, 16:24 ] |
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I believe in that second dragonfly pic, the one on the left is a Sus scrofa fairchildus, a species that is becoming extinct with less than 400 left flying. They are, however, seen in Asia, Europe as well as North America. OC Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 07 Aug 2006, 16:59 ] |
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I dont know If I would call the Butterfly a Swallow tail, the tail is missing. We have what we can Yellow Swallowtail's and they have very long tail There's 2 types the Black ones and Yellow. Dragon Flies man we have them ALL OVER THE LOT.All differant types. Luna I'll have to ask my Daughter when I get ahold of her She is a "BUG EXPERT" Goose I know now for a FACT that Truth is Stranger than Fiction and IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORST! |
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| Author: | Racegal8 [ 08 Aug 2006, 21:11 ] |
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Very nice lunatock! I like the 1st dragonfly picture the best!! "If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten!" |
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| Author: | Horrido [ 08 Aug 2006, 22:35 ] |
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Luna, the butterfly is a tiger swallowtail/eastern tiger swallowtail, <i>Papilio glaucous</i>. Goose, the black swallowtails you're seeing may be "dark form" females for the ETS (some females are also yellow). They may also be completely different species, as well. Also, there's a genus in the swallowtail family, <i>Parnassius</i>, without a tail, and looks nothing like your standard swallowtail with clear wing sections and bright pink eyespots. It's kind of funny for me how these topics turn up in clumps, as just last Sunday I found a swallowtail caterpiller on a willow leaf during a memorial walk for a neighbor along the Nisqually Delta park. Here are websites for the ETS and Zebras for a comparison: ETS: http://www.fcps.edu/StratfordLandingES/ ... owtail.htm Zebra: http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species?l=1353 <img src="http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/pic/marcel.jpg" border=0> Parnasian: http://www.turtlepuddle.org/alaskan/butterfly3.html <img src="http://www.turtlepuddle.org/alaskan/parnassian.JPEG" border=0> Not too sure about the dragonflies, since I'm only familiar with the northwest species. My best guess at the orange and black one is a brown-spotted yellow-wing, but the pattern looks off to me, so I'm guessing a closely-related species. Can't tell on the side-by-side ones, need a shot from the vertical. The field doesn't get into subgenus much with insects, usually if it's newly discovered and/or they haven't really figured out how to place it, yet. Usually, once you drop below family (LOTS of subfamilies), it's genus (<i>Papilio</i>) and then the species name, which is genus + species (<i>Papilio glaucous</i>. Hope you're all taking notes, there'll be a quiz after the thread. Old Chief, you crack me up. <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> Crushed under his own mental block... |
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| Author: | mattlott [ 09 Aug 2006, 06:44 ] |
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Darn Lunatock you came out always knew you were the quiet guy skipping through the meadows with net. lol |
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| Author: | boomer [ 09 Aug 2006, 09:54 ] |
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I always thought he was the one being CHASED through the meadow by guys with nets, didnt know he had time to stop and smell the swallowtails <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> Brownells calls me Aaron Burr cause the way I'm droppin Hamilton$ |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 09 Aug 2006, 10:43 ] |
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I'm going to break out the camera, And get some pic's of these Yellow swallow tails Evan. Jan told be their differant because when she did her AP Biology Insect Board She had one on it and the School kept it as a "New Speices" I dont understand that stuff. I also sent her 2 Dragon Flies they hadnt seen that were varants of another type. Needless to say Hers is on Display in the HS Biology Lab, and her sisters Right Next too it. i sent insects to Kelly and She found a Butterfly with its colors Inverted or Where Black should be it was Red, and vise or versea. I'm more of a Moth Guy as you Know <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> Who in the World figured out that they would LOVE INSECTS. Goose I know now for a FACT that Truth is Stranger than Fiction and IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORST! |
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| Author: | Lunatock [ 09 Aug 2006, 10:46 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Darn Lunatock you came out always knew you were the quiet guy skipping through the meadows with net. lol<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> It was part chasing that butterfly around a flower bed to get the photo, but mostly chasing dragonflies & practicing stealth techniques to get those pics of them. Though I do know someone who was dodging an APB once, and the chase he lead the police on ended when he was running across a meadow <u>on foot</u> and a cruiser stopped him with a "pit" manuever. |
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| Author: | Horrido [ 09 Aug 2006, 14:14 ] |
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It'd be cool for you to get some pics, Ed, especially of the dark ones, since several different swallowtail species mimic the dark and toxic pipevine swallowtail. I'd have to put the yellow swallowtail under a microscope to really pin down what it is, with the amount of variation within a species out there, looking at the wing pattern isn't always enough. People are always turning up some pretty strange and fun stuff you would think shouldn't be out there, so I never say never until I've seen for myself. With pesticides and all the urban development chopping up and restrictng the genetic pools, you also get some pretty interesting mutations from genetic damage and inbreeding. lol Crushed under his own mental block... |
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