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Compare the Brave Entertainers of 1943 with today's Hollywood motley bunch.

Letter to the Editor,
The Entertainers of 2003 have been in all of the news media lately. It seems News Paper, Television and Radio has been more than ready to put them and their message before the public.
I would like to remind the people of what the entertainers of 1943 were doing, (60 years ago). Most of these brave men have since passed on.
Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft on D-Day.
James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U.S. Army on D-Day.
Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was a R.A.F. pilot who was shot down, held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.
David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British Commandos in Normandy.
James Stewart flew 20 missions as a B-24 pilot in Europe.
Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out) was a waist gunner flying missions on a B-17 in Europe.
Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak.
Earnest Borgnine was a U.S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945.
Charles Durning was a U.S. Army Ranger at Normandy.
Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps.
George C. Scott was a U.S. Marine.
Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic action as a U.S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov.1943.
Brian Keith served as a Marine rear gunner in several actions against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific.
Lee Marvin was a marine on Saipan when he was wounded.
John Russell was a Marine on Guadalcanal.
Robert Ryan was a U.S. Marine who served with the O.S.S. in Yugoslavia.
Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed) joined the Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded Marines out of Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
Audie Murphy , little guy from Texas, Most Decorated serviceman of WWII.
I wish I had room to tell you more about Actor Sterling Hayden and an actor by the name of Peter J. Ortiz (Twelve O'clock High, Rio Grande and The Wings of Eagles), but this would turn into a book.
There is quite a huge gap between the heroics and patriotism in 1943 and the cowardly despicable posturing of the Hollywood crowd of today...all of which smack of sedition and treason.


Peace through Superior Firepower

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\"Those who hammer their guns into plows
will plow for those who do not.\"
- Thomas Jefferson

Someone should put up a list of the sports heroes of the era that served, as it is an equally impressive list.

Ted Williams fought in two wars.

"Nuts"

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Someone should put up a list of the sports heroes of the era that served, as it is an equally impressive list.

Ted Williams fought in two wars.

"Nuts"
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I was about to ask about Ted Williams, before I remembered that he was a baseball player and not an actor. He was a Marine fighter pilot in WW2 and Korea, wasn't he?

Ted

Boring the world, one post at a time.

I thought he was a grunt, but for all i know, you may be correct.


"Nuts"

IIRC the Splinter either flew with or got to meet Yeager so I'm semi sure he was a flyer.

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us". George Orwell

Fighting For Justice With Brains Of Steel !
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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

I believe Williams flew the Corsair in WWII, and the Panther in Korea, with the Marines.

I think I remember hearing Ed McMahon of "Johnny Carson" fame stating that he flew in the Marine Air Corps in World War II.
http://us.imdb.com/Bio?McMahon,%20Ed

Edited by - Tritonal on Apr 20 2003 9:20 PM

yeah I'm almost positive I heard him say he flew the "Ensign Eliminator" in the islands.

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us". George Orwell

Fighting For Justice With Brains Of Steel !
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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

"I think I remember hearing Ed McMahon of "Johnny Carson" fame stating that he flew in the Marine Air Corps in World War II."

He went on to fly f-4's in the Cal ANG, retired a BG.

All the way...

I bet a lot of these actors who answered their country's call in years past are rolling over in their graves!

The very fact that these Hollywood idiots are able to spew forth their garbage and not be blacklisted is a sure sign of the countinued pussification of America.

I serve so I can protect our unalienable rights, freedom of speech, etc., but some of these idiots (i.e. Sean Penn) verge on treason!



ATTACK!

Ted Williams was in the Navy toward the end of WW 2. That is where he completed flight training. He flew combat missions in Korea as a Marine in the F9 Panther. He was John Glenns wingman who to this day says the spendid splinter was the best wingman he ever had.

Wow, could you imagine coming up against that flight?

LOL, Yeager and Williams. I can just hear the enemy on the radio now..

"Can i have your autographs, HAI?!?"

LOL

"Nuts"

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I believe Williams flew the Corsair in WWII, and the Panther in Korea, with the Marines.
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Ted was an IP in the Marine Corps. He finally shipped out in late July 45 for combat and hit Japan after the surrender. He then went back to baseball and never flew in the USMC till the Korean War blew up. USMC called him up and put him into Panther Jets and he flew nearly 40 combat missions until he got too sick.

Ted lost nearly 5 seasons of baseball in his prime to be in uniform. Until his death, he was more than pissed off at being called up for the Korean War. He knew some in the flying reserves that weren't.

He flew off of John Glenn's wing in Korea often too.

From many accounts, he was a helluva of a stick and his eyesight was far out. He used to nail the tow banners.

Jack

RE previous posting which read:
AIR2MUD
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I bet a lot of these actors who answered their country's call in years past are rolling over in their graves!

The very fact that these Hollywood idiots are able to spew forth their garbage and not be blacklisted is a sure sign of the countinued pussification of America.

I serve so I can protect our unalienable rights, freedom of speech, etc., but some of these idiots (i.e. Sean Penn) verge on treason!


ATTACK!
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You serve so you "can protect...fredom of speech"? The fact that anyone in this country can openly question and criticize its policies is called DEMOCRACY and is *supposedly* what our men and women in the Armed Forces are putting their butts on the line for at this very moment. ANY attempt to restrict this right is called FASCISM, my friend. Questioning your government, holding it accountable to its CITIZENS, insisting that politicians do the will of the PEOPLE and NOT the will of corporations or Generals or even the President (who is not a King or Dictator or Despot, supposedly, but also SERVES AT THE WILL OF US, THE PEOPLE) is what our Founding Fathers and all U.S. Military have ALWAYS fought for. READ your Constitution, if you haven't. READ your Bill of Rights. The right to dissent and criticize IS what makes us different from Saudis, Iraqis...and people held down by repressive governments throughtout the world. It does NO GOOD to pay lip-service to Democracy my friend without understanding its basic tenets!

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Wow, could you imagine coming up against that flight?

LOL, Yeager and Williams. I can just hear the enemy on the radio now..

"Can i have your autographs, HAI?!?"

LOL

"Nuts"
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Yeager is a jackass.
He goes to Oshkosh every year to the big fly in and one year a CAP cadet ask if he could get a picture. Yeager said, "take a picture of this!" and gave the kid the bird!

and who ever the hell you are, it's not critisim if it's not founded in good facts, so go screw yourself.

“I actual did voted for it, before I voted against it.”-John Kerry
“I actual did put out the fire, before I started it.”-A firefighter now in jail

What the hell? Isn't this thread from over a year ago?

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You serve so you "can protect...fredom of speech"? The fact that anyone in this country can openly question and criticize its policies is called DEMOCRACY and is *supposedly* what our men and women in the Armed Forces are putting their butts on the line for at this very moment.
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First of all, learn to spell the word before you expound on freedom to someone like AIR2MUD who DOES put their ass on the line to protect those that cannot or will not protect themselves.

DEMOCRACY comes from two Greek words, the first demos (the people) and the second kratos (strength), meaning a system of government where the people select the government by election. So why are you referring to that when talking about free speech? The two have nothing to do with one another. By the way, we live in a federal or representative republic (depending on how you look at it), not a true democracy.

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ANY attempt to restrict this right is called FASCISM, my friend.
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Actually, fascism is a system of centralized government, usually with a dictator at its head. The government promotes extreme nationalism and racism, and controls people through terror and censorship. The whole censorship thing might be where you throw the word 'fascism' into the mix, but obviously you need to educate yourself on different forms of government. Just because a government restricts free speech does NOT make it a fascist government. In the United States there really isn't unrestricted free speech, is there?

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Questioning your government, holding it accountable to its CITIZENS, insisting that politicians do the will of the PEOPLE and NOT the will of corporations or Generals or even the President (who is not a King or Dictator or Despot, supposedly, but also SERVES AT THE WILL OF US, THE PEOPLE) is what our Founding Fathers and all U.S. Military have ALWAYS fought for.
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Oh, it's all becoming clear now. I was beginning to think you were something other than a left-wing nutjob, but thanks for not deluding us totally. I whole-heartedly agreed with your first sentence in this section up to the point where you added the parenthesis. Why'd you have to go and do that? Do you really think that the members of this board, to include the original poster, are so ignorant that they need a lesson on who the president answers to (or SUPPOSEDLY answers to, according to you)?

You aren't happy that Bush was re-elected, and that's what this is all about, isn't it? Or is it the little dick syndrome in concert with a Sean Penn fetish?

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READ your Constitution, if you haven't. READ your Bill of Rights.
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Finally, we get to the proper reference. The Bill of Rights, for all of us uneducated WT members (pay attention, AIR2MUD - LOL), includes the first 10 ammendments to the Constitution, of which the first ammendment includes the freedom of speech. So why waste our time with the references to democracy, fascism, blah blah blah when you could have just cut to the chase? Baffle us with bullshit and hope we can't see what angle you're coming in from, eh?

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The right to dissent and criticize IS what makes us different from Saudis, Iraqis...and people held down by repressive governments throughtout the world. It does NO GOOD to pay lip-service to Democracy my friend without understanding its basic tenets!
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No shit, Steve-O. The original poster, Air2mud,was talking about the likes of Sean Penn, which you decided not to include in your quote. I am not a member of the screen actor's guild, so I can't say whether I agree with Air2mud on whether or not people like Sean Penn should be blacklisted. As a matter of fact, I would say that most likely they shouldn't be blacklisted, since you are correct in saying that free speech is our right.

It is the public's duty to see these actor's free speech for what it is.

What you forgot to quote is the crux of the issue, not free speech as you put it. Sean Penn is typical of many in Hollywood. His travel to Iraq in an attempt to stop the war shows he has more money than brains and is a self-proclaimed political pundit with delusions of actually being able to influence heads of state. His quotes are priceless (my comments are in {}):

"We have some good people in politics - it's just that they don't win," he said. "In the same way we have some good movies, but they don't succeed in the US."

{Sean, you wouldn't know a good movie if it was directed by Spielberg and Lucas mind-melded together and starred Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford, Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts, and Diane Keaton}

"The electoral process resembles that of the movie-going process: they choose candidates as they choose movies. It's something that we grow to accept."
Source: http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes2001/news/0,7803,491771,00.htm

{I love how all his political references refer to the movie industry - this guy lives in his own little dream world!}

"I think that people like the Howard Sterns, the Bill O'Reillys and to a lesser degree the bin Ladens of the world are making a horrible contribution [to society]. I'd like to trade O'Reilly for bin Laden. [O'Reilly] is a grumpy, self-loathing joke."
Source: [url]
http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/article/1099510[/url]

{This guy would trade O'Rielly for bin Laden? So would I - just so I could personally strangle bin Laden. Howard Stern is making a 'horrible contribution' to society? What about free speech, eh Steve-O?}

"There's a long history of people who capitalize on the lowest common denominator of people's impulses. Adolf Hitler being one of them. Not everybody wants to hit the wall in a violent rage and break their knuckles, so he does it for them...."

{Or you do it for us, Sean. Peace, brother, as long as it's not the media taking a picture all up in your face.}

"These guys--Joe McCarthy, Bill O'Reilly--die like everyone else. And when they do their legacy is one of damaging the spirit of good things, and they become rather broken, pathetic figures. And it is going to happen to him."
Source: [url]
http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/article/1099510[/url]

{I actually agree with the McCarthy statement a little, but what is Sean's fascination with Bill O'Reilly? Give me a break!}

"I beg you, help save America before yours is a legacy of shame and horror."
Source:[url]
http://www.liberalartists.com/articles/seanpenn4.html[/url]

{Yes, please, save us from more Sean Penn movies before the french (spit, spit) take to them like they did Jerry Lewis}

"I am more patriotic than this president we have, who I consider a traitor of human and American principles."
Source: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4201707/

{You gotta be shitting me, right?}

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Sean Penn's statements show how detached he is from the average person, and moreso any Iraqi!

Why don't you SERVE the country instead of berating it, Sean? I don't necessarily mean military service, but it goes to show that he, and many of those in Hollywood like him, love to go on and on about how the United States and our government are absolutely atrocious. Give me a break. I take this guy about as seriously as I do Martin Sheen.

Air2mud never said ANYTHING about restricting the right to free speech of Sean Penn, or the Hollywood idiots, or anyone in our country. He does bring up a good point about the 'continued pussification (I love that word!) of America', however. Way too many people in this country have had it too good for too long without having to work hard for their freedoms. Freedom is NOT free. They forget the sacrifices of their forefathers, and actually start to listen to and believe the bullshit these actors and celebrities preach on about.

Steve, sounds like YOU need to learn about the 'basic tenets' of the United States and the different types of governments. Make sure you drop the 'my friend' references and replace them with 'comrade' next time, and don't forget to mis-quote the original poster so we can see where you are taking us on your diatribe adventure.

By the way, welcome to Warthog Territory - jackass.

Edited by - thunderstruck on Nov 13 2004 08:06 AM

Dont forget Jimmy Stewart. Quit MGM to become a bomber pilot would not accept that he was too thin. Rose through the ranks to general and was a big support of an independant airforce.

If it wasn't mentioned, and I just didn't miss it:

Bob Kieshan(sp?) Was also a Marine that fought on Saipan, in fact Lee Marvin & himself were buddies.

And I'll have to re-look up the info. But Christopher Lee is also a WW2 vet. Serving with the British Army.



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"You serve so you "can protect...fredom of speech"? The fact that anyone in this country can openly question and criticize its policies is called DEMOCRACY and is *supposedly* what our men and women in the Armed Forces are putting their butts on the line for at this very moment. ANY attempt to restrict this right is called FASCISM, my friend. Questioning your government, holding it accountable to its CITIZENS, insisting that politicians do the will of the PEOPLE and NOT the will of corporations or Generals or even the President (who is not a King or Dictator or Despot, supposedly, but also SERVES AT THE WILL OF US, THE PEOPLE) is what our Founding Fathers and all U.S. Military have ALWAYS fought for. READ your Constitution, if you haven't. READ your Bill of Rights. The right to dissent and criticize IS what makes us different from Saudis, Iraqis...and people held down by repressive governments throughtout the world. It does NO GOOD to pay lip-service to Democracy my friend without understanding its basic tenets!"

What is this, civics 101?

Or Steve, do you propose that because one serves they should lose THEIR voice???


"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Steve I dont know who you are or where you came from but please do not call into question someones service before you get to know them. Bad move on your part. By the way are you or have you ever served in the Armed Forces? There are many here that have served for many years and they dont take kindly to trolls mouthing off about what servivce to our country means. Now if you have a military background get it out front now. I tell you now most on this board do and some of us are still on active duty.
I will say welcome to WT however if you persist to attack the membership it may be a rough road for you here.
Lastly just whom do you think has protected the right to free speech all these years? Do you really think just because it is on a piece of paper everyone will respect it and not try to destroy it? There are millons of Vetrans who went before us that protected that right, because they knew better than you that right along with all the others we enjoy really are precious.

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields