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Ok heres the Story, I have a buddy who's fiancee is stationed at Sheppard AFB waiting to go to her tech school. Because she doesn't start tech school for another two weeks she is working details during the week.

1. If the AF mail system works like the Army's system then she won't have mail forwarded to her until she gets to her Tech School Unit is this correct?

2. If this is the case is there anyway he can contact her?

3. Is there anyway for him to get on post to see her on a weekend and/or for her to get a pass?

any help from you guys would be appriciated, its been awhile since I've had to deal with people wanting to see Airmen (Soldiers) who are in training.

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Ok heres the Story, I have a buddy who's fiancee is stationed at Sheppard AFB waiting to go to her tech school. Because she doesn't start tech school for another two weeks she is working details during the week.
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A few things I don't understand (I know what's new) is she <b>stationed</b> at Sheppard and if so he should have her mailing addy already? Sheppard is a tech school (one anyway) does she have follow on training somewhere? If so she should be in "permanant party" status and be able to come and go as she pleases.

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1. If the AF mail system works like the Army's system then she won't have mail forwarded to her until she gets to her Tech School Unit is this correct?
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Why would he need to use the military mail system, she should have a normal mailing addy at Sheppard and when she goes to her next Tech school she leaves a forwarding addy with the post master?

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2. If this is the case is there anyway he can contact her?
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He doesn't have (know) her squadron and phone number? How long has she been there? She should be able to call him anytime she wants...it's not a jail, no matter what some of the students might say!

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3. Is there anyway for him to get on post to see her on a weekend and/or for her to get a pass?
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She can get him on base with her military ID card, all he has to do is go to the gate, call her, and she comes and shows her ID and they are in. See my above statment about her status..she should be able to come and go as she pleases.

From what you have said above it sounds like she is at Sheppard <b>for tech school</b> and is waiting for a class. If this is so then she may not be able to have vistors or go off-base for a while but, she should be able to used the phone to call him.

I know a lot of questions but I don't understand why he can't get in touch with her!

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She graduated BT about two weeks ago her Tech school doesn't start until (I think) two weeks from now. I wasn't sure if she'd would be temporarily quartered in another squadron for the time being.

The long and short of it is I don't have a lot of info to work with myself. My friend has no clue on anything military and consequently hasn't been much help to me. I did AF JROTC but actually enlisted in the Army and I know things are a little different.(different enough to not take what I know from the Army and try to directly apply it to the AF).

He does know her full name rank and serial (SN) number, and that shes at Sheppard waiting for Tech school but not much else. I, as is apparent, know less than that.

Military mail system is my wording for the long as hell address servicemen always get... poor choice of words on my part. And clarify Dice was SHE supposed to set up the forwarding, or is it automatic (apparently she thought it was automatic).

I appreciate your help Dice... this is a big Cluster F**k on my end (lack of communications between my friend and his fiancee... has led to some hurt feelings too)

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>From what you have said above it sounds like she is at Sheppard <b>for tech school</b> and is <b>waiting for a class</b>. If this is so then she may not be able to have vistors or go off-base for a while but, she should be able to use the phone to call him<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>I think that's exactly what he means, Dice.

However I don't know if we've got the whole story here (I know the guy Stinger's talking about, and the situation in question). We haven't been able to talk to the fiancee to get her side of the story. Not that I'm insinuating that there's a "reason" she's not able to make contact, but under the circumstances, I can't personally rule anything out.

I think he should talk to her parents, first of all, and just be up front with them about what's going on. Tell them how much he cares about her (blah blah blah) and ask them if there's ANY way that they can help him get in touch with her, either by phone or mail.

It could be that she's legitimately without outside contact right now, i.e. waiting for tech school/doesn't have a temp./perm. address. I don't know. I just hope that they get to talk sooner rather than later.

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KingFrogger, I didn't (don't) want to say anything about someone I don't know but I do know one thing, she can get to a phone and use it! As I said above Tech school is not jail and they have the right to contact friends and family by phone and mail.

Stinger that's about all the help I can be...sorry I just don't feel right about this (with the info you have given me) it just don't sound right.

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A few things about tech school at Sheppard:

1) You immediately in-process your Training Squadron when you get off the bus. The full blown in-processing takes about a week.

2) All of the Training Squadron dormitories have pay phones, and phone cards are available at the AAFES Troop Store and BX.

3) Mail should be forwarded from her Lackland AFB (Basic Training) address to Sheppard. When she leaves Sheppard for her first assignment, or follow-on training, setting up a forwarding address is part of the out-processing.

4) In order to contact her, you would have to know which of the training squadrons she is in, which will depend based upon what her career field is. You can then call the Sheppard base operator, and call the lead MTL in that squadron, and they will relay a message to her, via the Charge of Quarters, or a student leader.

5) As Dice said, she will be able to sponsor her fiancee onto the base with her military i.d., but he will not be allowed into her dorm room.

6) Due to the phase prgram that AETC provides for all enlisted tech school units, she may have a curfew or may be required to remain in uniform, etc. based upon time passed, and whether or not she gets in trouble (which is fairly easy...unless your good <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>.

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KingFrogger, I didn't (don't) want to say anything about someone I don't know but I do know one thing, she can get to a phone and use it! As I said above Tech school is not jail and they have the right to contact friends and family by phone and mail.

Stinger that's about all the help I can be...sorry I just don't feel right about this (with the info you have given me) it just don't sound right.

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I understand Dice, its a very weird request and your trying to protect a service member, I would do the same, Raven answered a lot of my questions I'm not trying to get you guys to track her down for me.

Like I said its a cluster F**k situation, I was just wanting to make sure she would have gotten a letter he sent about a week and a half ago, and if she hadn't (due to forwarding problems) how he might get ahold of her (it seems with what Raven said she should have gotten the letter. the Army is different I was told to write anyone who might send me a letter and tell them to hold off till I got to my AIT unit and could give them a current address). The problem in a nut bag is that the Airmen (my friends fiancee) went to basic, her sister hit on my friend my friend (as far as he's told me and given the fact that I know my friend very well I take this for the truth) turned her down, Airmen is happy to see my friend when he arrives for her graduation, talks to sister (Friend doesn't know whats said) and begins to give friend cold shoulder. Friend to dumb to ask if anythings wrong has horrible weekend at lackland comes home writes letter, hasn't heard from her since is very upset. Me dumbass who try to help <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Raven if he knows her MOS and start date that would likely tell him which squadron she's in right? Then he can talk to her CQ and get a message thru? Thats really all the dumbf**k wants is to make sure a message gets thru.

and to the Tech School isn't prison... Like I said I was in the Army so things being different as they are AIT(Advanced Individual(Infantry or otherwise) Training) is like prison... at least if your a 75B... don't laugh sniper.

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Stinger, it's not so much protecting a fellow service member, it's the fact <b>she</b> may not want to talk to him (what it sounds like to me) and it's not my place to over-ride her decision.

I think you hit the nail on the head by having him contact her mom and dad, I bet they are in contact with her. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Edited by - Dice on May 22 2003 06:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>KingFrogger, I didn't (don't) want to say anything about someone I don't know but I do know one thing, she can get to a phone and use it!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>I understand and respect that completely, Dice. I wasn't saying that you should've said something, it's just that this whole situation is frustrating to me because the "friend" in question is my friend too.

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The only prob. with that is if the girl has told her parents that she's upset with our friend (for whatever reason) and gave them instruction to keep all of her contact information confidential. If that's the case, he's S.O.L. no matter what.

As for calling Sheppard, would they get a message to her with him <i>only</i> knowing her name, rank, MOS, start date, and (possibly) her serial/SS number? I don't even know if he has that, but I don't know that he'd be able to find out which unit she's in; seems like that would be private info unless he was family. Then again, maybe it's not, I don't know.

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As for calling Sheppard, would they get a message to her with him <i>only</i> knowing her name, rank, MOS, start date, and (possibly) her serial/SS number? I don't even know if he has that, but I don't know that he'd be able to find out which unit she's in; seems like that would be private info unless he was family. Then again, maybe it's not, I don't know.

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KingFrogger, he would need to know the squadron she's assigned to and then he could get the number to the squadron's dorm (through the base operator). He could then call and leave a message with the squadron CQ and they would deliver it to her.

If he doen't know her squadron then I don't know how he could get it because of the privicy concerns you have mentioned. He can't track her by calling the base with name and SS# because they will not give that info out.

It looks to me (from the info you guys have given) that she may be mad and doesn't wish to talk to him. One of you needs to talk to her mom and dad and see if they are worried in any way about her, if not you can be pretty sure she is talking to them but, if they are worried and have not heard from her then they, as parents, can find info on her.

Your friend is kinda' in a bad postion because he's not married so he's not a fimaly member and must work with her parents to try to get info.

If her parents are worried about her I can get them info on how to get in touch with her but, this would have to be worked between me and them on the phone, not here.




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Completely understood, Dice.

I agree that he's not in the best of situations as well. But that's typical of this friend, so we're just going to have to wait it out I guess.

And the only problem with one of <b>us</b> (meaning Stinger or myself) talking with the airman's parents is that we don't know them. Hell, I don't even think I've been formally introduced to the girl herself (long story).

I think we're just gonna have to talk to our friend and beat the crap outta him and have him pull some week-long "love vigil" at her parents' house until they crack and give him the info he needs. Or it might be as simple as getting him to talk to them; who knows, talking to someone might actually be the answer... novel idea, really. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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30MM Jr was able to call us within 24 hrs of hitting Sheppard and was using his Hotmail addy within a week or so.

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Given the current issue, that's very disheartening...

But again, I guess the only thing that Stinger and I can do is give our friend support and encourage him to talk to the parents. If she doesn't want to talk to him right now, she's not going to. And being in the USAF is going to afford her all the cloud cover she wants.

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Sounds like she gave him the dear jody to me.

If she wanted to call him, he WOULD have gotten a call.

Sorry, but it don't look too good for your buddy...at all.

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I always thought they are known as "Dear John" letters.

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If he knows roughly what her career field (or as you Army boys call it, MOS) is, he could most likely call the Sheppard operator and ask for that. For example, if she is medical of some sort, he could ask the operator for the Medical Squadron's dorm. That's about all teh help I can be to you.

Koobster: I am sure Sheppard has changed a good deal, at least on the tech school side. They are a lot tougher on the stupid stuff that kids do...underage drinking and such...and the lean towards a smoke-free Air Force tends to cause minor scrapes for the kids that start smoking again when they get to tech school. I know a lot of guys that kept getting bumped back to Phase I for smoking in uniform. Drugs are also a huge deal in AETC...plus there is your normal suicide attempts and crap like that.

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BR, in the military we call 'em dear jody letters.

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Ok as far as the love vigil goes make sure he doesnt graduate to night vision goggles, binoculars, and wiretaps. You know love can force a guy past the acceptable into the stalking relm and he does need that.

No girl is worth that kind of hell.

No woman is worth the hassle.

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As right as that may be, Sniper, you don't know our friend.

He's probably already plotting blueprints...

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mattlott: Is a video camera with 0 LUX capabilities and a tripod acceptable??? [>:)]

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"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Then it's up to you to smack some sense into him.

That's what friends are for, lol.

I take it he still hasn't heard from her?

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