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Author:  tritonal [ 27 May 2003, 13:38 ]
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Pretty interesting

http://www.sftt.org/PPT/article05242003a.ppt
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 27 May 2003, 14:55 ]
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That was interesting, if not overly vague.

Some very good battledamage pix though.

LOL, interesting that the M-1A1HA's flank/aft vulnerability has prompted the goobers at the Pentagon to conclude the Stryker is just what we need.

Morons.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"
Author:  bigross86 [ 27 May 2003, 15:07 ]
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Interesting briefing. What is the Stryker?

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Author:  M21 Sniper [ 27 May 2003, 15:31 ]
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Just some 19 ton wheeled death trap.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"
Author:  tritonal [ 27 May 2003, 16:55 ]
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Vague is my description as well.

HEAT's were only effective while sabot's were "Devastating".
Wait till they get a load of the OR (Cross your fingers, I <i>might</i> be working on that project in Piccatinny)

Two mavericks to destroy it? I'm not surprised.
I did like seeing those two little holes from the 2 mavericks The hull was in pretty good shape; it didn't vaporize like a T-72



Edited by - tritonal on May 27 2003 5:20 PM
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 27 May 2003, 17:36 ]
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Pretty amazing, to say the least.

I found it interesting that the Sabot made a bigger entry 'wound' than the Mavs did.



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Author:  tritonal [ 27 May 2003, 18:22 ]
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That's a good point also.

I think that the Army should adopt a "if it's not broke don't fix it policy when it comes to the Abrams/Stryker debate.



Edited by - tritonal on May 27 2003 6:13 PM
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 27 May 2003, 18:29 ]
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Too late for that. :(

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Author:  EzyJack [ 28 May 2003, 08:01 ]
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Just some 19 ton wheeled death trap.

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ROFL. How many RPGs could it handle? I couldn't d/l the damn Abrams report. Did read the other 2 reports in www.sftt.org

15 Abrams are going to the junkyard. Another 150 odd sustained battle damage. We lost some tracks in Iraq.

Jack
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 28 May 2003, 10:26 ]
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"Frontal RPG-7 protection is optional on the Stryker, and the basic design gives all around protection from 14.5mm MG's"

See that, don't you feel ducky now?

Damned thing is a rolling coffin. :(

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Author:  Stinger [ 28 May 2003, 12:16 ]
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I've always liked trees..... I think I'd prefer a walk in the woods as opposed to a drive in the Stryker.

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2. Never draw fire; it irritates everyone around you.
Author:  mattlott [ 28 May 2003, 12:24 ]
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Guys can there be a balance struck between the stryker and the abrams. As I see it six months to transport and build up to war is a luxery we are not going to have consistently in the future. Could a ratio of say 1 abrams to two strykers work effectively. Allowing the heavy lift aircraft to carry on abrams per load, and the lighter lift aircraft to bring in two possibly three strykers per load.

In other words best of both worlds?
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 28 May 2003, 13:48 ]
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If i HAD to find a role for the Stryker it would be as an air DROPPABLE armored vehicle to give the 82d Airborne a 'heavy' bde.

Unfortunately, the Stryker is not air droppable.

BTW, during OIF a combat team of M-1's and Brads was airlifted into an austere strip in the North of Iraq. So the Heavy Bdes are not as 'immobile' as we are led to believe.

What would you rather have on the ground...the 82d Supported by a Bn level Heavy team(mix of M-1s and Brads) or a Bde of Strykers?

Give me the heavies.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"
Author:  EzyJack [ 28 May 2003, 15:28 ]
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Guys can there be a balance struck between the stryker and the abrams. As I see it six months to transport and build up to war is a luxery we are not going to have consistently in the future. ----------

If we invested into some very fast sea lift it could be cut down quite a bit. Then you have landlocked countries like Afghan and lousy roads which wouldn't support an Abrams anyway.

I know Snipe hates to see diesels in Abrams. They actually did install them for a test. Worked fine, just less top end, and a helluva of a lot less fuel flow.

They will always be searching for the right mix of heavy and light armor. They will always improve anti-tank weapons like the Russian Cornet system.

All the high tech and far out systems in the world. Don't work long without ensuring we have the best trained troops behind the gear.

Jack
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 28 May 2003, 20:29 ]
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Personally, i liked the M-8 Buford better.

At least that one had tracks.

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Author:  Blackclaw [ 29 May 2003, 19:43 ]
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Unfortunately, the Stryker is not air droppable.

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Sure it is! In fact I recommend we air drop them all if the damn things can't even take an RPG hit.
Author:  bigross86 [ 29 May 2003, 23:29 ]
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Maybe, we can drop the Strykers ON the RPG positions? The idea has possibilties, no?

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