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| Author: | NightStalker [ 18 Aug 2003, 16:09 ] |
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Hey Guys, i'm new here by the way.  Well, right to the point, i am probably gonna join AFROTC next semester, enrolling in the 200 lvl courses. Now, what are my chances of getting a Pilot slot through AFROTC? What could i do to increase my chances of actually getting a slot? How hard is the AFOQT and what is the best way to prepare for it? Say i don't get a pilot slot is there a way for me to get into pilot training after i have been commissioned as an AF officer?
Thanks in advance
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| Author: | NightStalker [ 18 Aug 2003, 19:37 ] |
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I was also wondering. How tough is it to keep up a good relationship, marriage, family as an officer in the air force? Is the travel rediculous? Time away from family and friends long? |
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| Author: | poke [ 18 Aug 2003, 21:46 ] |
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While you are in rotc, be as involved as you can be in your det. Take on leadership responsibilities, and then carry them out well. Do VERY well in school. If you are going for a scholarship through rotc, they may tell you what you will major in. Otherwise, major in something that you love, will study very hard at, and will get good grades in. PoliSci major with a 4.0 does better than a techie major with a 2.9. (This is all "so I'm told" and general observation of the past year. I didn't go rotc.) AFOQT- don't waist another second worrying about it. It is used to gather historical data only, not used in determining whether or not you personally will get a pilot slot. (rotc guys correct me if I'm wrong here!!!!) Yes, you can get a pilot slot later in your career, but it is extremely tough. If this ends up being the case for you, pray the Airlines boom again, all the fogeys get out, and the AF suddenly realizes it's grossly undermanned. But it IS possible. Marriage- she's got to be REALLY understanding about the fact that you will work 12+ hour days. Every day. All week. All year. For the rest of your career. And then if you get off early after 10 hours she'll be pleasantly surprised. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> And the deployment rate has been anywhere from 200-320 days per year. Typical deployments depend on what kind of plane you fly. I'm headed to cargo/tanker shortly. cargos usually go for a week or so at a time, but constantly. Tankers are more along the lines of deploy for 3-6 months, come home for a couple months, rinse, repeat. I'm not sure about the fighter guys, but I understand the carnies have an even bigger time commitment than us herbies! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I don't mean to scare you away, but nothing is sadder than the couple who had no idea what kind of all around commitment being a pilot (really any job in the military!) is, and marriage trouble ensues. It's pretty common, though. There IS always a way to make it work, though. One of the guys in my class has two kids, and his five year old daughter could probably start our plane and fly to the MOA without help, because she always chair flys with dad. Of course, her standard kid ADD would kick in before she got there! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Warthog30 may be able to help you more with this. I hear he's quite the sweet-heart family guy! I'm still a swinging single myself. Try www.UPTprep.com for more FAQs, assuming the site is still up and operational. <---- winged pilot in 18 days!!!! |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 19 Aug 2003, 04:57 ] |
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In the IDF, soldiers are almost guaranteed that one weekend in three or four they are allowed off to go to their family or friends or whatever. Than there are certain vacations that soldiers recieve after very good work or coming back from combat areas. "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | NightStalker [ 19 Aug 2003, 13:32 ] |
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yea, that's the only thing that scares me a bit..the time commitment...i mean, i would be required to do 6 years i think if i get pilot, or 4 if not...i think...after that i could go into civilian life... |
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| Author: | tritonal [ 19 Aug 2003, 14:15 ] |
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I think it's more like a 10 year committment for pilots. |
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| Author: | NightStalker [ 19 Aug 2003, 14:20 ] |
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you're right, 10 years, oops |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 19 Aug 2003, 16:16 ] |
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The IDF has a 3-3.5 year commitment, from when you turn 18. "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | MightyMouse [ 19 Aug 2003, 21:50 ] |
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The commitment is ten years after pilot training (making the total commitment over eleven years), could be more if you are on casual for an extended time before UPT. I don’t think getting a slot out of ROTC is all that difficult. Basically, the amount of effort you put into it is exactly what you get out of it. Just study hard, volunteer for everything, and you should be good to go. About the AFOQT: buy the study guide titled “military flight aptitude tests” from ARCO on amazon.com. When you apply for UPT from ROTC, the AFOQT, combined with the BAT test, and any flying hours you might have (called the PCSM score) will equal 15% of your package. I agree with Poke on the major issue. Chose a major you enjoy/and can get a good GPA with, because the selection board really doesn’t consider your major… they just consider your grades. Here is what the board considers for selection: PCSM = 15% GPA = 15% Leadership potential (totally subjective) = 10% Physical fitness test = 10% Commanders recommendation = 50% What I have observed is that it is really obvious is wants it, and who is willing to work for it… and they get the pilot slots. It’s definitely not something you want to go into half-heartedly, because when you get to UPT, its going to take everything you have to make it through. Good luck! Let me know if you have any more commissioning/pilot selections questions. I commissioned out of ROTC 3 months ago. Best of luck! One of the serious problems in planning the fight against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine. -- From a Soviet Junior Lt.s Notebook |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 20 Aug 2003, 06:39 ] |
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I like that sig line, MightyMouse! "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | MightyMouse [ 20 Aug 2003, 14:46 ] |
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Thanks man "One of the serious problems in planning the fight against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine." -- Junior Soviet Lieutenant |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 20 Aug 2003, 18:59 ] |
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It actually makes alot of sense, doesn't it? Being unpredictable in battle by not following procedure. "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | MightyMouse [ 20 Aug 2003, 19:10 ] |
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I think it does make sense. Plus, Americans are a historically independent and rebelious people (especially southerners). Theres always a new and better way to do something, most of the time that is. "One of the serious problems in planning the fight against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine." -- Junior Soviet Lieutenant |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 21 Aug 2003, 03:02 ] |
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And duct tape is like the force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the world together.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | NightStalker [ 21 Aug 2003, 15:05 ] |
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very cool, thanks guys! |
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| Author: | Lunatock [ 23 Aug 2003, 22:56 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> And duct tape is like the force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the world together.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> You learn something new everyday BTW. Did you know, that tape. Namely the kind used to seal boxes in warehouses & shipping plants. Can stop milk from leaking out a small hole in a plastic, gallon sized container? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle> "No, Russia is the world's second superpower, they won't fall so easily, so cut the crap." --Black Eagle Force Edited by - Lunatock on Aug 23 2003 9:57 PM |
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