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PostPosted: 05 Nov 2003, 19:51 
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Thought this summed up the movie quite nicely. lol

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OMG...

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<shaking head> man I thought you would let that one die ROFL

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Got this from another site.
<i>Errors in the Movie Top Gun:

- Numerous violations of standard Navy operating procedures.
- Numerous errors of fact regarding Navy equipment and their capabilities.
- There is no such aircraft as a "MiG-28".
- It is impossible to fly two aircraft inverted so closely together. (Horrizontal Stabs would collide)
- The main rear cockpit display in an F14 is a Tactial Information Display, not a PPI scope as indicated.
- Navy pilots fly with sun visors down.
- When Maverick is launched to help Iceman, he is more than 110 miles from him. Claiming he'll be there in 30 seconds, he would have to travel at 13,200mph (Mach 18). His F-14's top speed would be Mach 2.
- All Navy pilots wear NOMEX flight gloves.
- * When Maverick tells Goose " I'm going to hit the brakes (air) and he'll fly right by." He inadvertently throws the throttle straight forward which actually would have sent him into afterburner and thus the speed brakes would not have actuated.
- * The "Mig 28's" Maverick and Goose encounter are actually F-5 Tiger II which the Navy now uses primarily as adversaries in training pilots in dogfighting.
- *** In all of the scenes where you see the supposed heads up display, all of the graphic targeting markers are incorrect. The only plane that had a semi realistic marker was the jet flow by Viper when he was using cannons. Also real Heads Up Displays (HUD) , have airspeed indicators, compass readings, altimeters, and depending on weapons setting, range and percent effectiveness.
- In the scene where Maverick's Tomcat goes into a flat spin, it can clearly be seen that just prior to the spin as well as during the spin the plane is nowhere near any water. But as soon as Maverick & Goose eject from the plane they magically appear over water.
- The markings on the supposed Mig-28 's were North Korean, but the Battle Group was in the Indian Ocean. There is a great distance between North Korea and the Indian Ocean so it would have been impossible for the Mig-28 's to go that far to engage a ship.
- ****** When Maverick lands on the aircraft carrier and then decides to go get Cougar he pulls back on the throttle instead of putting it at full power. </i>


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The best one from my maintenance point of view is all of the cockpit scenes. When you look at the cockpit the two ejection seats have brass star wheels attached to the left side of the headbox. These are actually called star wheels and are for maintenance purposes. They disconnect the seat from the top latch mechanism so the seat isnt attached to the rocket catapult. If the aircraft was flown upside down the seat would actually slide down and hit the canopy.
And can you actually figure out how many Sidewinders you can fire off the same station in one flight ?
And hey Goose tap that fuel gauge one more time it may work. By the way when Goose taps the fuel gauge you will notice that the gauge has a left and right vertical tape display. Well thats the pilots gauge. The back seater only has a totalizer.
If you were in a flat spin wouldnt it be hard to reach down to grab the ejection handle ? I would have thought Maverick could easilly have grabbed the face curtain.
But I like when the yellow shirt gives the signal to connect electrical power during launch (hhmmm I thought the plane captain did that)and when he gives the signal for electrical power the pilot slips it into burner.
Ok ok ok I will stop now.

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hey maybe the north koreans figured out inflight refuling or have been exporting again lol


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It could have been worse, they could have had one of the F-14's shut down an engine and remain in a dogfight while under powered..... uhmm.... oh wait they did that too didn't they?

Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

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Can't let the g/f read this... "Top Gun" is one of her all-time favorite movies. She doesn't have a thing for Tom Cruise, she just likes the movie.

Oh well... I'll have to carry the sad, grisly truth to my grave with me, I suppose... <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Iron Eagle was pretty accurate.


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If you like ripping the knitting out of movies, this site is worth a visit...

http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/

To much stuff to cut and paste the text, sorry, but here's a small snippet of what you can find

Finally, the Japanese attack. At last, projectile motion! Then Hollywood drops the ultimate physics bomb. The special effects animators in their effort to dramatically portray the bomb's deadly descent do a bang up job of reinforcing the major misconception that horizontally released bombs fall straight down. When a bomb is released it has the same velocity as the aircraft. When the velocity is horizontal, the bomb will travel a considerable distance forward as it descends. The bomb will remain nearly horizontal for much of its flight and its nose will tilt downward slowly. In the movie, when the bomb is released, it immediately turns its nose earthward and falls straight down until it crashes through the deck of the Arizona. This was a scene which shall live forever in movie physics infamy.

Meanwhile, our fighter pilot heroes scramble to find flyable aircraft. Fortunately, they own a magic convertible to convey them on their quest. They are strafed by a zero as they drive wildly toward a remote air field. The zero would have carried two 7.7 mm machine guns spitting out 33 rounds per second, not to mention a pair of 20 mm cannons slamming home 17 rounds per second designed to rip holes through armored plating. The cannon and machine gun bullets would have been a mix of tracer, incendiary, armor piercing, and high explosive rounds specifically intended for blasting apart air frames and exploding gas tanks. Ironically, movie cars are often blown up in an unrealistic manner by a single handgun bullet to the gas tank. In this movie the car's trunk and windshield are riddled with bullet holes. Yet, our heroes drive off without so much as a scratch or a flat tire.

When hapless sailors are strafed in the water, machine gun bullets strike in evenly spaced rows perfectly aligned with the strafing zero's wing-mounted cannons. In reality the cannons would have been set to converge at a few hundred yards rather than shoot straight ahead. This, along with cannon vibration, would have tended to break up the perfectly spaced linear patterns. Our movie makers were so intent on perpetuating this movie misconception that they also ignored the zero's two 7.7 mm nose-mounted machine guns. These would have fired directly ahead between the cannon shots.

The movie attempts to give us realism by mixing in characters based on actual heroes like Dorie Miller (played by Cuba Gooding Jr.). At one point Gooding steps up to a pair of 20 mm cannons and begins blasting away at zeros flying between his ship and another ship no more than 100 yards away. Apparently, the movie makers considered dual 20 mm cannons more photographic than the 50 cal machine gun the real Dorie Miller fired. However, they didn't think about the fact that the cannons were aimed directly at the other ship. This would have raked the ship with tracer and incendiary bullets from end to end. However, not a single bullet could be seen striking the ship.


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While much of the stuff on that website is argued using valid logic and/or physics law, I'm sure as hell glad it's some other loser wasting their time picking apart the movies and not me.

I enjoy picking out the "fake" or "unrealistic" scenes, or misrepresented visual or historic facts, from movies and TV. But I guarantee I don't sit and watch a show, simply for the purpose of ripping apart the realism.

Those guys have waaay too much free time, and need to realize that 99.9% of the population that watches any given film has no idea (nor interest) that what they're seeing isn't truthfully or accurately represented. They wanna see the "booms" and "bangs" and people getting blown in half and all that other cool crap.

Though I gotta admit... "reading" that website is pretty amusing.

From their review of "The Matrix: Reloaded" :
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>When in the Matrix, Neo (Keanu Reeves) can now not only make incredible leaps but also stop bullets by emitting a force field from his raised palm, fight a hundred or more assailants simultaneously, and fly through the air like superman. He can detect trouble from afar and if he arrives a little too late, he can resurrect the dead.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

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[i]Errors in the Movie Top Gun:

- Numerous violations of standard Navy operating procedures.
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Final Countdown, with Martin Sheen and others. Think I got the title right, it's the movie when a Carrier goes back in time and possibly could stop Dec. 7, 1941. Recall the Tomcat doing the barrel roll around the Zero? He actually mushed out and almost ate it. Watch the wing walk. It was really close.

Movies are entertainment, if you lose a few hours to enjoy the total movie go for it.

Famed stunt pilot Paul Mantz in, It's a Mad, Mad, World. He flew a bugsmasher through a sign that was in very light weight paper mache. Still lost his cockpit windows and being wise had goggles on. He did eat it in the Flight of the Phoenix. One touch and go too many.

It's Hollywood and they appeal to the masses not the techies.

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an error in the errors?
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> - It is impossible to fly two aircraft inverted so closely together. (Horrizontal Stabs would collide)
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
if he mean vert stabs, the F-14 has 2 and the MiG-28/T-38 has one so technically...... lol. But more realistically the low pressure air between them would suck them together.


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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>the low pressure air between them would suck them together<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Yeah... Bernoulli's Principle and all that.

Damn, can't believe I still remember that kind of crap.

I thought the same thing about his "horizontal stabs" remark. And even in the film, the two aircraft aren't exactly aligned one above the other. You can kind of tell that one is either to the left or right of the other's center. So even if you had two F-14s (or 15s, or any other kind of aircraft in which the vertical stabilizers matched up against each other), you could simply slide one to the side and they'd be "cockpit-to-cockpit". Not perfectly one above the other, but with the F-14 and the "Mig-28"/F-5/T-38, you don't even need to worry about that. The vert stab from one aircraft fits between the two on the F-14.

No big deal, I guess. Oh well.

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Type 7 you mean a sixteen year old kid CANT walk onto a flightline and take an F16 joy riding ? I like the part where he is out of gas..........well 500 lbs really is out of gas, so he selects burner and does a vertical climb to get to the tanker. I dont think Maverick could have pulled that one off.
And I do watch movies just to pick them apart, at least when my wife is around.........she hates it.

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Oh no! Iron Eagle! The dreaded "Hades" bomb!


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KF wrote...
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>They wanna see the "booms" and "bangs" and people getting blown in half and all that other cool crap.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Amen to all that...

I'm with KF, it's fun to spot howlers in movies (the one that always cracks me up is seeing somebody holding an old single action .45 ACP to a hostages head, with the hammer down..!) but I don't sit down with a slide rule to check the physics.

Talking about booms and bangs, recently got a 500w sub-woofer for the home cinema setup. That thing really thumps...


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Remember Michael J Fox in back to the future. He had a killer six foot amp that blew him out into the driveway ?

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