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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2003, 11:37 
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Cardinal Says U.S. Treated Saddam 'Like a Cow'
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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A top Vatican (news - web sites) official said Tuesday he felt pity and compassion for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) and criticized the U.S. military for showing video footage of him being treated "like a cow."

Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the Vatican's Justice and Peace department and a former papal envoy to the United Nations (news - web sites), told a news conference it would be "illusory" to think the arrest of the former Iraqi president would heal all the damage caused by a war which the Holy See opposed.


"I felt pity to see this man destroyed, (the military) looking at his teeth as if he were a cow. They could have spared us these pictures," he said.


"Seeing him like this, a man in his tragedy, despite all the heavy blame he bears, I had a sense of compassion for him," he said in answer to questions about Saddam's arrest.


Martino was referring to the videotape released by the U.S. military which showed a grubby, bearded and disheveled Saddam receiving a medical examination by a military doctor after his capture in an underground hole Saturday.


Martino was one of the Vatican officials most strongly opposed to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites).


"It's true that we should be happy that this (arrest) has come about because it is the watershed that was necessary... we hope that this will not have worse and other serious consequences," Martino said.


"But it is not the total solution to the problems of the Middle East," he said.


Martino said the Vatican hoped the arrest of Saddam "can contribute to promoting peace and the democratization of Iraq."


He added: "But is seems to me to be illusory to hope that this will repair the dramas and the damage of the defeat for humanity that a war always brings about."


The Vatican did not consider the war in Iraq "a just war" because it was not backed by the United Nations and because the Vatican believed more negotiations were necessary to avoid it.


Martino said the Vatican wanted an "appropriate institution" to put Saddam on trial but he did not elaborate.


U.S. forces were keeping the ousted 66-year-old dictator at a secret location for interrogation before he is put on trial in the months ahead. He could face the death penalty.


The news conference was called for Martino to present the World Day of Peace message, in which Pope John Paul (news - web sites) took a swipe at the United States for invading Iraq without the backing of the United Nations.


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I read this earlier... the honorable Cardinal can bite my a$$

Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

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And the good Cardinal's point is...?

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truthfully I wouldent expect a holy man to say anything different, but the cow thing was just a weird statement lol

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Holy man ? Where I am still looking but I aint seeing any. The Holy See ? The Holy See ? I am so sick and tired of that organisation issuing Papal Bulls throughout history and NEVER publicly withdrawing them. Supporting uprisings when they jive with a political agenda, but only secretly, and acting as though they really dont have a political agenda. Gimme a break. And they have an appropriate institution for dealing with judgements they are called the Jesuits. <img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle>

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2003, 15:39 
The cardinal can kiss my Irish ass. :)

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muahaha, if you ask me, vatican is full of senile as<img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle>les

BTW How do you treat a cow???
I´d think about "eat them" or "milk them"....<img src=newicons/saevil.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I don't know, Homer...

In the Middle East, people spell "girlfriend" a little differently:

L-I-V-E-S-T-O-C-K

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<i>The cardinal can kiss my Irish ass. :)</i>

I thought you said you were a Swede?


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I don't know, Homer...

In the Middle East, people spell "girlfriend" a little differently:

L-I-V-E-S-T-O-C-K

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” Benjamin Franklin, 1759

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>I thought that was Burleson.

Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

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Also a swede, lol.

So he can kiss my Scots-Irish, Swedish ass... ;)

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Scottish and Irish?
That's a whole bunch of love of fighting!

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2003, 19:14 
I supposed the Philly upbringing contributes to that too... :)

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I think the cardinal and friends need to get a handle on the pedophilia problem with the help.....then they can feel free to comment on how we take care of dirtbags.

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He added: "But is seems to me to be illusory to hope that this will repair the dramas and the damage of the defeat for humanity that a war always brings about."

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<img src=newicons/anim_bs.gif border=0 align=middle> This guy needs to check his history books. War to bring an end to Hitler isn't a defeat for all humanity. Any war to bring liberty to a people oppressed by a dictator is not an illusion of hope. Liberty is a right paid for in blood over and over in history. Does the Vatican not value freedom? Does it think freedom is free?

Did the pope send emmisaries to Iraq for years to try to try to end the oppression peacefully? Then stop being hypocritical. You can't just say peace and not back it up.

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