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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2003, 17:25 
Unit Awaits OK To Use Steel Armor
Associated Press
December 19, 2003


JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - Fearing roadside bombs and sniper bullets, members of the Army Reserves' 428th Transportation Co. turned to a local steel fabricator to fashion extra armor for their 5-ton trucks and Humvees before beginning their journey to Iraq earlier this month.

But their armor might not make it into the war, because the soldiers didn't get Pentagon approval for their homemade protection.

The Army, which is still developing its own add-on armor kits for vehicles, doesn't typically allow any equipment that is not Army tested and approved, Maj. Gary Tallman, a Pentagon spokesman for Army weapons and technology issues, said Thursday.

"It's important that other units out there that are getting ready to mobilize understand that we are doing things" to protect them, Tallman said, "but there's policy you have to consider before you go out on your own and try to do something."

The possibility that soldiers could be denied extra protection because of an Army policy has outraged some of the friends and neighbors who tried to help the Missouri reserve unit.

"I think it's the stupidest thing I ever heard of," said Virgil Kirkweg, owner of Jefferson City steel company, which rushed to meet the reserve unit's armor request. "I just hope the government is not dumb enough to make them go out there without something that's going to protect them somewhat."

The 72 vehicles operated by the 428th Transportation Co. aren't designed for battle. They have thin metal floorboards and, in some cases, a canvas covering for doors. Iraqi guerrilla groups have been targeting all types of military vehicles with homemade bombs and small-caliber weapons.

E-mails from soldiers already deployed in Iraq urged the Missouri reservists to get extra armor if possible, said 1st Sgt. Tim Beydler of the Jefferson City-based transportation unit.

The soldiers got a local funeral home director active in community affairs to pay the roughly $4,000 tab for 13,000 pounds of one-quarter inch steel. Industrial Enterprises Inc. donated the fabricating work, valued at nearly another $4,000, so the steel could be fitted under vehicle floorboards and on the inside of doors.

The soldiers drove off in convoy Dec. 12 for Fort Riley, Kan., planning to fasten the specially made steel to their vehicles when they got to Iraq.

"We're doing what we can to protect our soldiers. That's the bottom line," Beydler said last week as news of the donated steel was being praised locally as an example of grass-roots support for the troops. "It not only boosts morale of the soldiers, but also of the soldiers' family members, who know their soldiers will be afforded some extra protection."

Fort Riley spokeswoman Deb Skidmore said Thursday that the Army reserve unit will be allowed to take their steel with them to Iraq, but she said Central Command will decide later whether the troops will be allowed to use it.

The Army's concern, Tallman said, is that unapproved steel-plating could somehow cripple the vehicles or cause them not to perform the way they were designed. For example, a Humvee armor kit recently tested at the Army's Aberdeen (Md.) Proving Ground was so heavy that it caused the vehicle to break, he said.

Tallman and spokesmen at several Army bases said they were unaware of any other units trying to craft their own armor before leaving for Iraq. But Tallman said the Army had discouraged several families of individual soldiers from trying to obtain their own bulletproof vests, citing the same reason for Army testing of equipment.

Kirkweg said the Missouri soldiers didn't have time to wait weeks, months or years for the Army to test and approve a steel-plating project that he could complete in three days.

"We thought this is a very important project here - we're talking about possibility of saving people's lives," he said. "So without hesitation we went ahead and proceeded with the thing."

The stupid pencil pushing triplicate form filling non fire taking REMF pussies that would seek to prevent our troops from protecting themselves need a big fat leather boot stuffed so far up thier collective ass that it requires a brain surgeon to remove it.

%^$ %#$%*#($%*+@(#*$@+%*$(*%^$(%*#(*%(#$*% and further more $%*$%#*@&# $_@&@# $ *&#$@ $@#|$!!!!

Fucking REMF's...

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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2003, 17:35 
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WHAT ABOUT THAT GUY IN WASHINGTON STATE WHO'S SON WAS A GUNNER ON A HUMMER AND COULDN'T SWING HIS GUN AROUND FAST OR ENOUGH SO HE MADE A GUN MOUNT THAT 360 SWVIELS AND SENT IT TO HIM. NOW THEY WANT MORE!

PISS ON THEM! MY ASS IS OUT ON THE LIMB,I WANT A BLOODY 57 CHEVY UNDER MY DAMN SEAT!
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO,DISCHARGE ME FOR IT?

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Sigh...

It should be a mandatory condition that ANY descision maker should spend time out in the field and experience the conditions out there.

Then they might have a bit of sympathy with these folk.

There is nothing wrong with theory and qualifications, but they have to be mixed with a bit of common sense and experience.

I'm sure any one of these Richard-Heads would rather be behind 1/2" plate rather than canvas if they had incoming 7.62 heading THEIR way...

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Sympathy hell! A little shrapnel in the a$$ wouold cure that, damn quick!<img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle> You tell 'em, Snnipe!

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what do you expect from the five sided wind tunnel on the Potomac, snipe? good desicions?

Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

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If they deny this and someone dies...stupid, stupid, stupid.

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