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Times UK - Stranded Marines fight to last bullets
From James Hider in Fallujah
THE 15 Marines were trapped in a house, surrounded by hundreds of Iraqis armed with rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles, their armoured vehicle in flames on the street outside. Each man was down to his last two magazines.
“It was in my head, we just got to go. Whoever makes it back, makes it back, those who fall, fall,” said Staff Sergeant Ismail Sagredo, sitting in the relative safety of Bravo Company’s forward base yesterday, as mortars and machinegun fire sounded a few streets away.

“That was the decision I’d have had to make, and I’m glad I didn’t have to do it.”

It was one of the most dramatic actions of the war.

Sergeant Sagredo, 35, had been in one of two Amphibious Assault Vehicles running out from the Marines’ frontline close to the centre of Fallujah, trying to trap insurgents who had ambushed a supply vehicle.

But as they headed down the narrow, parallel streets of Fallujah, where Sunni tribesmen have battled the Marines for more than a week, their vehicle came under fire from rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), the guerrillas’ weapon of choice.

Unable to turn the large vehicle around, the squad charged their attackers, but lost contact when they hit a bend in the road. They were driving into unknown territory. Then they turned another corner and saw hundreds of guerrillas.

“I’ve never seen so many RPGs. A lot of them were propped up against the walls with extra rounds,” said the sergeant.

The Iraqis, not expecting a lone American vehicle so far behind their lines, ran frantically for their weapons as the Marines opened up with M16 rifles and machineguns.

Rockets started smashing into their vehicle. One pierced the armour at the front, taking a large chunk out of the leg of Lieutenant Christopher Ayres, the officer in command. The rocket did not explode, but hit the engine, setting it ablaze.

Still under intense fire, the driver swerved south along a route known to the Marines as “Sh**head Alley”, desperate to find a turning to the east, towards their own lines. The gunner was dead from enemy fire, and several men had been knocked down by the continuing rounds of missiles.

The blaze was spreading toward the stockpiles of grenades when the engine gave out completely.

With the engine dead, the rear gate would not open. The men had to climb out of the hatch one by one, still taking small-arms fire. Luckily for them, their dash down the gauntlet of Sh**head Alley had left their attackers — up to 600 of them — behind. But only for a while.

“When we stepped out I was relieved. At least I wasn’t going to burn,” said Lance Corporal Abraham McCarver, a machinegunner.

The men had to help Lieutenant Ayres, who was crawling blindly toward the fire. Sergeant Sagredo and Corporal McCarver pulled him, but his webbing caught on a rack.

They were still taking fire, conscious that the vehicle could explode at any moment. Then the webbing ripped, and they carried the wounded officer to a nearby house, kicking down the door.

The Marines took up firing positions on the roof as more than 150 Iraqi gunmen converged on the small house.

“All the Iraqis surged south to join the festivities,” Sergeant Sagredo said. He now found himself in charge of an impossible situation reminiscent of scenes in Black Hawk Down, the film of a doomed US raid in Somalia that the sergeant had seen back home in America.

“It did remind me of that soldier being dragged through the streets back then,” he said, aware that a similarly gruesome scene had involved four US contractors just streets away, the trigger for the Marines’ invasion of Fallujah.

Ironically, Bravo Company’s call-sign is Blackhawk.

The Marines could hear the Iraqi fighters shouting outside, could see their feet shadowed under the front gate.

“I opened a window because I heard voices and I thought it was Americans,” said Corporal Koreyan Calloway. “There was a guy in a headscarf with an AK47 standing there looking at me, so I shot him.”

The attackers were darting down narrow alleyways beside the house, and lobbing grenades from neighbouring rooftops.

“They were running across our line of fire like we weren’t even shooting at them,” the corporal said.

“It was just like a range, we were just shooting them down,” said Corporal Jacob Palofax.

In the midst of the firefight, with the armoured vehicle’s munitions blowing up, an ambulance pulled up. The Marines thought they were being rescued. Instead, 15 men with RPGs jumped out and started firing.

The Americans were almost out of bullets. An Iraqi round hit a kitchen pipe and gas started whistling out as RPGs slammed into the building.

A guerrilla burst through the gate with an RPG and was shot dead. Another tried to follow and was wounded.

“Then the men started shouting that they could hear tanks. The first one went past, then the second,” Sergeant Sagredo said.

Horrified that the rescuers would miss him, Sergeant Sagredo radioed to tell them to back up. They did. A rifle muzzle appeared through the gate, and Captain Jason Smith of the 5th Marine Regiment came through shouting: “Marines, Marines, friendlies!”

It took an hour for the tanks to hook up with the burnt-out vehicle, but they were determined not to leave a dead Marine behind inside it.

Sergeant Sagredo does not want a medal for saving his men. “A decoration would only remind me of what happened. This is something I want to forget. Unfortunately, if it doesn’t affect me now, I know it will haunt me later.”


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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
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Makes you just wish they would pull out the city and lay waste to it with artillery and bombs.


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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Makes you just wish they would pull out the city and lay waste to it with <b><u>artillery and bombs</u></b>.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Read: "Fat Man" and "Little Boy"...

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5th Marine Regiment is one of the highest decorated units in Marine Corps history.

Montezuma, Belleu Woods, South pacific, Inchon, Vietnam DMZ, Desert Storm.

90% of the famous marine quotes came from the 5th marines.

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Makes you just wish they would pull out the city and lay waste to it with artillery and bombs.


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PostPosted: 21 Apr 2004, 15:32 
We don't need to carpet bomb the city. Apparently a dozen Marines or so can get the job done. :)

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why cant the Army just carry ammo for the Marines?
uht oh, now what have I done lol

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PostPosted: 21 Apr 2004, 22:29 
Stepped in a world of shit...and i'm the disinfectant. ;)

Kudos to the Marines, but the US Army has plenty of tales that match or exceed this one, including in the current campaign in Iraq.

It was 3/7 Cav that single handedly wiped out the better part of a division of the Republican guards after siezing a bridge and realizing that they were completely surrounded and had outraced the lead elements of 3d ID to the objective by several hours. They held the bridge, and killed dozens of armored vehicles and hundreds of dismounts in a battle that raged 8 hours.

And in the US Army version of Blackhawk Down- the original- it was what, 170 some guys? - surrounded by an entire city of hostiles.

Kudos to all our guys. They are kicking ass and taking names where ever they've been sent. A credit to as all, and we should all be very proud of all our fighting 'persons'.



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FALLUJAH, Iraq — Taking a short breather Friday, the 21-year-old Marine corporal explained what it was like to practice his lethal skill in the battle for this city.

"It's a sniper's dream," he said in polite, matter-of-fact tones. "You can go anywhere and there are so many ways to fire at the enemy without him knowing where you are."

Sniping — killing an enemy from long distance with a single shot — has become a significant tactic for Marines in this "Sunni Triangle" city as three battalions skirmish daily with armed insurgents who can find cover among the buildings, walls and trees.

Marine sniper teams are spread in and around the city, working night and day, using powerful scopes, thermal imaging equipment and specially modified bolt-action rifles that allow them to identify and target armed insurgents from 800 yards or more.

The Marines believe their snipers have killed hundreds of insurgents, although that figure alone does not accurately portray the significance of sniping. A sign on the wall of sniper school at Camp Pendleton, Calif., displays a Chinese proverb: "Kill One Man, Terrorize a Thousand."

"Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the morale of his buddies," said the Marine corporal. "Then I'll use a second shot."

In negotiations aimed at ending the standoff in the city, the insurgents have demanded that the Marines pull back their snipers.

As negotiations continued yesterday, a shaky truce existed between the Marines who surround the city and the fighters within the circle. But the week-old cease-fire allows the Marines to carry out defensive operations within the city, which among other things they define as allowing fire on insurgents who display weapons, break the curfew or move their forces toward U.S. troops.

While official policy discourages Marines from keeping a personal count of people they have killed, the custom continues. In nearly two weeks of conflict here, the corporal from a Midwestern city has emerged as the top sniper, with 24 confirmed kills. By comparison, the top Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam killed 103 people in 16 months.

"As a sniper your goal is to completely demoralize the enemy," said the corporal, who played football and ran track in high school, and dreams of becoming a high-school coach. "I couldn't have asked to be in a better place. I just got lucky: to be here at the right time and with the right training."

The military has asked that the names of snipers not be published. Insurgents were said to have placed a bounty for the killing of any Marine sniper. A Web site, linked to the insurgents, attempts to provide information on snipers and their family members. During Vietnam, the Viet Cong also put a bounty on snipers.

"If you're going to be a sniper," said the corporal, "you just have to accept the things that come with it."

The corporal was a scout during last year's battle to topple Saddam Hussein's regime, helping a sniper find a target and align the shot. This year, he's the shooter, assigned to a scout partner. He remembers his first time as a sniper in action.

"The first time, you get the adrenaline rush afterward," he said. "During the shooting, you have to take care of your breathing. It felt good to do my job, good to take a bad guy out."

Marine snipers, whose motto is "one shot, one kill," fire from rooftops in crowded urban areas of Fallujah, as well as exploring the city by foot. It sometimes takes hours to set up a shot, as the sniper hides in the distance, waiting for the opportune moment.

Marine officers credit the snipers, all of whom are enlisted men, with saving Marine lives by suppressing enemy fire and allowing their comrades greater freedom of movement.

"The snipers clear the streets for us," said Capt. Douglas Zembiec. "The snipers are true heroes."

Marine intelligence suggests that the insurgents, using Russian- and Chinese-made rifles and optics, have their own sniper teams, but there have been no reports of Marines killed by sniper fire.

Unlike most Marines, the sniper sees his enemy before killing him. The enemy has a face.

Most combatants get only a glimpse of their enemies. The distance is too great, the spray of bullets too rapid.

But the sniper, with time to set up his shot, sees his victim more clearly through a powerful scope: Their faces, their eyes, the weapons in their hands. And their invalid when the bullet hits "their center mass."

"You have to have a combat mind-set," said the corporal.

Unlike other infantry troops, the sniper thus has a greater confidence that his shot is not as likely to hit a civilian or a "friendly." Witnesses inside Fallujah claims than many of the more than 600 Iraqis believed killed in the city during the siege have been noncombatants, including a large number of women and children.

The corporal hopes to get back home by late fall in time to take his girlfriend to a college football game and go deer hunting with his father.

"When I go hunting for whitetail, it's for food and sport," he said. "Here, when I go hunting, it's personal, very personal."

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PostPosted: 21 Apr 2004, 23:23 
Excellent article Mudd, thanx for posting it. :)

Makes me really miss the job. Not for the shots, but to be with the guys again. This whole war since after the initial thrust is being played on sniper's terms, and with sniper's rules. Overwatch is also extremely important in urban areas, and sniper's are invaluable for cover and threat detection in MOUT environments. In city fighting a good sniper team can be more effective and disruptive to the enemy than a battalion of artillery or a 4 ship of Hogs.

We are EXTREMELY fortunate that the Iraqi's have a near total lack of skilled snipers.

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hmmm y'know it's guys like that that should be trained for an elite group of soldiers (sort of like FOXHOUND on the metal gear games) they would lay waste to an entire city, the only evidence they were there is all the slit throats

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Ah I feel squeeky clean now lol

Snipe, I saw this the other day and kept wanting to ask you. On TV from Iraq they were showing a sniper at work, the shooter was doing his thing and his buddy was thumbing in rounds for him so he didnt loose his sight picture. I had never seen it done like that and was wondering if it was typicle?

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My experience in the field was limited to the M-21 and the XM-82. I've only ever fired the M-24 on a range. So the answer is 'i don't know'.

I will however find out.

In advance i would say that if the shooter prefers it, that's the way it'll be. I'll find out if it's something they're trained for now, or on an individual team basis. I think it's probably the latter.

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Only one question though does the game warden put a limit on the hunt.


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"Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the morale of his buddies," said the Marine corporal. "Then I'll use a second shot."

I like this corporal.... Most people wouldn't tell a reporter something like that. I like it when people say what they think.

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WE COULD ALWAYS START A "SNIPER TOUR'

COME JOIN US IN THE CRADDLE OF HISTORY,SEE HISTORY'S FAMOUS PLACES,CLIMB ON BURNED OUT T-72 TANKS FROM THE 1ST GULFWAR,SEE HAJIEE SCREAM AND YELL ABOUT WHO CARES?
AND BRING YOUR OWN "HUNTING RIFLE" TO SIGHT IT IN FOR DEER OR THAT TROPHY ELK.
NO RESTRICTIONS ANY CALIBER,SHOOT AS OFTEN AS YOU LIKE.
"100,000 STAR" ACCOMENDATIONS, (BECAUSE YOU'LL BE IN THE FIELD) 3 MEALS A DAY AND A DAILY AIRSHOW.
ALL FOR THE PRICE OF ADDMISSION OF A CARNIVAL CURISE.


BUT REALLY THESE GUYS ARE KICKING SOME "MAJOR RAG ASS"

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""Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the morale of his buddies," said the Marine corporal. "Then I'll use a second shot."

I like this corporal.... Most people wouldn't tell a reporter something like that. I like it when people say what they think."

That's actually considered very unprofessional. I'm surprised he said it too.


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WE COULD ALWAYS START A "SNIPER TOUR'

COME JOIN US IN THE CRADDLE OF HISTORY,SEE HISTORY'S FAMOUS PLACES,CLIMB ON BURNED OUT T-72 TANKS FROM THE 1ST GULFWAR,SEE HAJIEE SCREAM AND YELL ABOUT WHO CARES?
AND BRING YOUR OWN "HUNTING RIFLE" TO SIGHT IT IN FOR DEER OR THAT TROPHY ELK.
NO RESTRICTIONS ANY CALIBER,SHOOT AS OFTEN AS YOU LIKE.
"100,000 STAR" ACCOMENDATIONS, (BECAUSE YOU'LL BE IN THE FIELD) 3 MEALS A DAY AND A DAILY AIRSHOW.
ALL FOR THE PRICE OF ADDMISSION OF A CARNIVAL CURISE.


BUT REALLY THESE GUYS ARE KICKING SOME "MAJOR RAG ASS"

PRESS TO TEST
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Actually there is allot of that going on . these "Security Contractors" are all Former Specops people, being hired to guard convoys and facilities. Their enjoying the hurt tey put on Hajii.



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""Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the morale of his buddies," said the Marine corporal. "Then I'll use a second shot."

I like this corporal.... Most people wouldn't tell a reporter something like that. I like it when people say what they think."

That's actually considered very unprofessional. I'm surprised he said it too.


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<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Unprofessional or not I wasn't so much comenting that he does it as to the fact that so many people are afraid to say what they really think, or anything that could have a bad spin put on it, to reporters that I'm always glad to see someone have the balls (or lack of brains) to do it.

As for the whole screaming lowering morale thing, I would assume that it probly pisses off every raghead within hearing distance so bad if they ever catch the Marine who did it or any Marine for that matter things would be very unpleasant.

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I like this corporal.... Most people wouldn't tell a reporter something like that. I like it when people say what they think."<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

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Oh, I was thinking Sniper meant "unprofessional" in the sense that a true "professional" wouldn't use two rounds, but instead would place the first one straight through the throat of the target. That way instead of the screaming, the target's comrades would hear that sick gurgle/sucking sound.

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I think a high power Laser would be most distressing to the enemy. "what was that?" "I dunno, but haji is dead as camel hoof!"

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It is considered amatuerish and in bad taste by snipers to willingly or knowingly fire a wounding shot.

The motto is one shot one kill, not "one shot, let him scream, shoot him again."

Firing a second shot at a single target is only considered acceptable when the first intentional KILL shot fails to kill. There are many reasons for this.

That being said, Snipers are human, and oft times fall prey to god syndrome. It can be very easy to let personal emotions interfere with the job...hence me saying it is unprofessional.

For the record, i did the same thing once. It was unprofessional when i did it too.

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