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PostPosted: 23 May 2004, 02:21 
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FORT WORTH, Texas - The Defense Department, strapped for troops for missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, has proposed to Congress that it tap the Internal Revenue Service to locate out-of-touch reservists.

The unusual measure, which the Pentagon said has been examined by lawyers, would allow the IRS to pass on addresses for tens of thousands of former military members who still face recall into the active duty.

The proposal has largely escaped attention amid all the other crises of government, and it is likely to face opposition from privacy rights activists who see information held by the IRS as inviolate.

For it to become practice, Congress and President Bush would have to approve the proposal, which would involve amending the tax code.

Ari Schwartz, an associate director of the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington, said granting access to any IRS data would open the door to more requests from other arms of the government.

Just a few years ago, Congress strengthened the privacy provisions of the tax code, he said.

"There are other ways to solve the problem they have, without putting the tax information at risk," Schwartz said. "We would hope that those members who worked only four or five years ago on strengthening tax-privacy laws would stand up and say this is a bad idea."

Lt. Col. Bob Stone, a spokesman for the assistant defense secretary for reserve affairs, said the proposal was developed several years ago and is unconnected to the Army's current shortage of troops.

Part or all of nine of the Army's 10 active-duty divisions are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, and 167,000 members of the reserves or National Guard are on active duty, with thousands more on alert for mobilization.

Unknown to most Americans, though, is the existence of the Individual Ready Reserve, which has more than 280,000 members.

The IRR is a distinctly different animal than the drilling reserves or National Guard.

Those in the IRR are people who have completed their active-duty tours but are subject to involuntary recall for a certain number of years. For example, a soldier who serves four years on active duty remains in the IRR for another four years.

During that time, however, they receive no pay, do not drill with a unit and are otherwise completely civilian.

The problem for the Pentagon is that the whereabouts of 50,200 of those veterans are unknown to the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force. The largest number - 40,700 - are former Army GIs.

Because Texas sends more people into the service than almost any other state, it's a good bet many are in the Lone Star State.

"While the military today is comprised of an all-volunteer force, every individual who volunteers for service in the armed forces voluntarily accepts an eight-year military service obligation," Stone said.

The troops are required to keep the services' updated on their residences, but many do not. Thirty-four percent of former Army soldiers cannot be tracked. The unknowns in the other services are in the single digit percentages.

"One of the difficulties that the military services confront is keeping addresses current," Stone said.

The Defense Department has called on members of the IRR before. About 7,000 people have been recalled since 9-11, Stone said. Approximately 30,000 were recalled for service during the buildup for the Persian Gulf War in 1990 and 1991, he said.

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uring that time, however, they receive no pay, do not drill with a unit and are otherwise completely civilian

THATS A FALSE STATEMENT TO A DEGREE, I HAD BEEN OUT FOR 2 YRS AND GOT ORDERS TO SHOW-UP AT THE 927TH ARW OUT OF OHARE IN JULY 94.
I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A "JOIN THE RESERVES" MEETING.
BUT THEY CHECKED OUR AFSC,RANK AND ASKED MEDICAL QUESTIONS,NEW ID CARDS ETC..
I WAS PAID 115.00 AND WENT STRAIGHT TO THE BX AND BOUGHT CIGS.

BUT THEY TOLD US WE WERE "ON OFFICAL ORDERS FOR THE DAY" AND SUBJECT TO THE UCMJ.

SO YOU CAN BE ORDERED TO SHOW UP AT ANYTIME.

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PostPosted: 23 May 2004, 10:49 
I think you can also schedule yourself to participate in local reserve training as well, if you so choose Goose.

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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
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I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ALOT OF "IRRF" GOING TO GET A SHOCK IN THE MAIL PRETTY SOON.

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PostPosted: 23 May 2004, 17:23 
I think you're right.

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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
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PostPosted: 23 May 2004, 19:57 
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another year from now it will be a draft, or all forces in korea will be pulled

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PostPosted: 23 May 2004, 20:46 
Korea and Europe will be drained of US military personnel before there's a draft, and the IRR will be called up. Then the recruiters will start working all the volunteers that havn't been 'good enough' to get in over the last couple years to get them enlisted. 'The Draft' is a dirty word that scares the shit out of liberals, i don't think the Gov't will reinstate it unless absolutely neccesary.

There's already a Bde of the 2d ID from Korea redeploying to Iraq, btw.

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The Draft would be intersting though, in my case at least. What would be proper procedure if I were to get drafted while I was in the IDF?

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IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN YOU THEN HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A COUNTRY.,MY SISTER-IN-LAW WAS BORN IN JAPAN AS A DEPENDENT AND 6 MONTHS BEFORE HER 18TH BIRTHDAY SHE GOT A LETTER FROM THE JC IN WASHINGTON TELLING HER BIRTHDAY HAD BEEN DRAWN IN THE LOTTERY FOR SERVICE IN THE JSDF.
JAPAN HAS A "DRAFT" SOME SORT AND PICK A FEW BIRTHDAYS LIKE OURS.
SHE HAD TO WRITE LETTERS AND GIVE UP HER JAPANESE CITIZENSHIP.

BESIDES BR,I DONT THINK IF YOUR IN THE IDF,THEY WOULD REALLY GIVE YOU A CHOICE.

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THE DRAFT WOULD SCARE CONSERVITIVES TOO AND EVERYONE ELSE WITH SOMEONE OF THAT AGE GROUP.
I THINK EVEN THE ACTIVE DUTY FORCES WOULDNT LIKE IT MUCH EITHER,IT USE TO BE BAD ENOUGH TO HAVE A TROOP WHO WAS IN JUST FOR A PAY CHECK,NOTHING ELSE AND DIDNT CARE.

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Which is exactly what I was leading To..... many pissed off folks for the excessive rotations.

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IT IS REALLY SOMETHING TO THINK BEFORE AUG 1990, YOU USE TO FIGHT TO GO TDY,KOREA WAS JUST A LUCK OF THE DRAW OR YOU VOLUNTREED FOR REMOTE.
NOW YOUR JUST FLAT ASS TIRED,OF DOING DOUBLE WORK,BEING GONE AND NOT KNOWNING WHATS NEXT.

HATS OFF TO YOU FOLKS

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I don't think they'll be a draft. It's political suicide. The Army can probably increase its overall force level through volunteers if it wanted. They can add thousands of new recruits if they wanted I think (more important than that is retention of specially trained soldiers and NCO soldiers).

But I am worried about the Army. Europe has already been used. 1st Armored and 1st ID from V Corps are committed to Iraq. The 173rd Airborne within SETAF served its time in North Iraq. So Europe's been used. And what does Korea have left to offer at this point in the way of U.S. combat forces? One armored brigade? That's not a decisive force.

Honestly, one year from now I don't want to be hearing about another rotation to Iraq.

Either we fix that shithole within the next year, with the forces we have there now (1CAV, 1ID, IMEF, Stryker Brigade, 25ID Brigade, ARNG) and then leave, or else just break out the bombers and leave.

It ain't worth sending another 130,000-size force over there one year from now when the rotations of the forces presently in Iraq expire. That damn place isn't worth overextending an already overburdened military.



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