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PostPosted: 08 Jun 2004, 11:16 
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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE JUNE 08, 2004 11:02:52 ET XXXXX

CLINTON DISAPPOINTMENT: LEFT OFF FUNERAL SPEAKERS LIST

Former President Bill Clinton has privately expressed anger he has apparently been left off the speakers list of Friday's Reagan State Funeral, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"President Clinton really held out all hope the funeral would be a nonpartisan event, like Nixon's was," a top Clinton source said on Tuesday morning. "He's angry and disappointed neither he nor President Carter have been asked to speak, as of yet."

The top source says Clinton has been critical that both Bush presidents will address the crowd gathered at National Cathedral.

Nixon's vice president Gerald Ford did not speak at Nixon's funeral.

Clinton's inner circle is convinced Nancy Reagan has personally shut out Clinton from any high-profile participation.

"It is a state funeral, using tax dollars," the top Clinton insider explained.

Former President George H.W. Bush, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney will join President Bush in eulogizing Ronald Reagan, Reagan's office announced. Presiding over the service will be former Sen. John Danforth of Missouri, who is an ordained Episcopal priest. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and the Rabbi Harold Kusher will give readings, while Irish tenor Ronan Tynan will sing.

The eulogy is being prepared by President Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael Gerson, who also wrote the president's moving speech for a memorial service in the same cathedral after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

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PostPosted: 08 Jun 2004, 12:08 
Klinton is a whore and a swine.

No need for him to demean a procession of character and honor through his very presence, let alone allowing the swine to speak.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"

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Maybe he'd like some cheese(cake) with that whine.<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Clinton's inner circle is convinced Nancy Reagan has personally shut out Clinton from any high-profile participation.

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She's the widow. What she says goes. However she behaves, we must support her. The Clintonistas could pretend they had class if they kept quiet.

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How can a man who rarely had anything good to say about President Reagan in life expect to begiven the privilege of leading this nation in his memory. I can not think of two polar opposites. Carter I could understand because he is a man of values and conviction.

I keep thinking would Hillary stand by him if he came down with disease. Nancy did for he beloved Ronnie protecting him even in death. That is true love, may we all be blessed with a love as strong as theirs.

On a side note did you guys see Nancy at the Library, it is sad to say she looks very wornout and no far behind him. What is the protocol for the death of a first Lady? How was Ms. Roosevelts handled? Does the first lady recieve state honors?


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Clinton in life is no where near the man that Reagan was, or is now even in death. His gripe has no credence what so ever. Spiro T. Agnew was the vice president for the bulk of Nixon's tenure as president, not Gerald Ford. Its makes sense to have George H.W. Bush to speak, since he was President Reagans vice president, friend and eventual successor. George W. Bush is our current commander in chief. Leave to the liberals to act like this....Let them though, they are only hurting themselves. Clinton used to remark how the Monica Lewinsky affair hurted his legacey. Reagan has a legacey, one of the greatest ever for a man. Clinton will be remembered as the man who squadered the 90's, Lewinsky giving him his much publicized hummer only hi lighted his complacentcy and proneness to exercise poor judgement. He has no place standing with honorable men, or speaking for an honorable man.

It makes me sick to use his name in the same paragraph as Ronald Reagan...



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PostPosted: 08 Jun 2004, 18:47 
An excellent rant Chad. :)

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State Funerals Have Long History of Tradition

Sunday, June 06, 2004

WASHINGTON — Ronald Reagan (search) will be memorialized at the first presidential state funeral in more than three decades, a ritual rich in traditions from the country's earliest days.

Presidents, former presidents and presidents-elect are entitled to state funerals. It is left to the family to decide whether one should be held and how involved it should be.

No detail in the planning is too small.

The military, for instance, has a 138-page planning document that dictates everything from seating charts to floral arrangements. Processions must move at 20 miles per hour. The footsteps of military guards are elaborately prescribed.

Since Reagan's family requested the full funeral protocol, President Bush put into motion a detailed chain of command, with most arrangements delegated to Washington-area Army officials. Military planners flew to California to consult with the family.

Reagan died Saturday at his home in California. His body will lie in state at his presidential library and museum in Simi Valley, Calif., northwest of Los Angeles.

His remains will be flown to Washington to lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda. The funeral, undoubtedly attended by world leaders, will be at Washington National Cathedral (search). Bush will speak at the funeral.

The State Department's protocol office draws up seating arrangements for foreign guests at religious ceremonies.

The rules and how they are implemented are patterned on what has gone before.

President Kennedy's funeral in 1963 was modeled after Abraham Lincoln's (search), as requested by Jacqueline Kennedy (search) in her first public statement after her husband's assassination.

Historians pored over musty documents in the middle of the night by flashlight -- the Library of Congress' automatic lights could not be rigged to come on after hours -- as the stunned country waited for a plan.

Reagan's family also may be looking to history:

--Nine presidents lay in state in the Capitol Rotunda; all but two had served in Congress. Reagan did not.

--Seven presidents have had funeral processions down Pennsylvania Avenue, including all four presidents to have died by assassination: Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley and Kennedy.

--Kennedy and William Howard Taft are the only two presidents buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

--Only sitting presidents or their immediate families have lain in state in the White House.

Ex-president John Adams did not even lay in the White House, even though he died while his son, John Quincy Adams, was president. The older Adams, the country's second president, and Thomas Jefferson, the third, died on the same day -- July 4, 1826 -- which perhaps complicated Adams' chances for a White House viewing.

The Capitol has a more expansive policy for laying in state.

Congressman Henry Clay, in 1852, was the first to lay in the Capitol Rotunda. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover lay in the Capitol in 1972. Two police officers shot down in 1998 while protecting the Capitol also lay in state there.

On the matter of seating arrangements for the funeral, the presidential party is followed by chiefs of state, arranged alphabetically by the English spelling of their countries. Royalty representing chiefs of state come next, and then heads of governments followed by other officials.

During the ceremony at the cathedral, generals sit in the north nave, family members in the south nave.

"The only real purpose of that sort of etiquette and protocol is to make the most people comfortable," said William Seale, a White House historian and author. "It's a trying time, a difficult time. You have to take care of the crowds, the emotions."

When death occurs outside Washington, the remains can be shipped back to the capital, where they are attended by a military honor guard.

After a day of repose, the body is taken to the Capitol Rotunda for an opened- or closed-casket 24-hour stay, then moved again, preferably at noon the next day.

The first presidential state funeral was for William Henry Harrison. He caught a cold during his inaugural address in 1841 and died of pneumonia 30 days later, becoming the first president to die in office.

Alexander Hunter, a Washington merchant, was commissioned to put on a first-of-its-kind American ceremony.

Hunter draped the White House in black. Official buildings and many private households followed suit, starting a now-lost tradition that was repeated at Lincoln's funeral 25 years later.

For Harrison, Hunter ordered a curtained and upholstered black and white carriage, which was drawn by black-clad horses, each accompanied by a black groom dressed and turbaned entirely in white. Along the side marched white pallbearers, dressed in black.

Before Harrison, the funerals of former presidents saw little pomp in the capital. Numerous ceremonies were held across the country for George Washington after his death Dec. 14, 1799, but his funeral was a local affair at Mount Vernon, Va.

Former President Lyndon Johnson, in 1973, was the last ex-president to have had an official Washington ceremony. Former President Nixon's family, acting on his wishes, opted out of the Washington traditions when he died in 1994.

In addition to presidents, anyone chosen by a president can be accorded a state funeral.

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