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PostPosted: 06 Aug 2004, 10:47 
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I thought this was a well written article, even a suprising "political unbiased" peice from a paper as liberal as the San Fransisco Chronicle.



France and Germany -- MIA in Iraq

Ivo Daalder, Robert Kagan
Tuesday, June 22, 2004

Critics of the Bush administration at home and abroad have long called for an early return of Iraqi sovereignty coupled with the internationalization of the assistance effort. The U.N. resolution that was passed unanimously June 8, though late in coming, does just that.

What's more, the resolution reflects significant efforts by the Bush administration to meet the concerns of key nations that opposed the Iraq war in 2003. Iraq will enjoy full sovereignty after June 30, not limited sovereignty. Iraqi forces will be under Iraqi command, not the command of the multinational force. The mandate of the multinational force will expire once the political transition has been completed. And the forces will be withdrawn if the Iraqi government so desires.

One would think, therefore, that the new U.N. consensus on Iraq would offer real hope not only for putting Iraq on the right track but also for healing some of the rifts between the United States and its European allies. France and Germany demanded a significant U.N. role, and they've gotten it. They demanded a rapid turnover of sovereignty to the Iraqis, and they got that, too. With the two countries having gotten their way in the negotiations on the resolution, the time has come for them to pitch in and join in the effort to build a peaceful, stable, democratic future for Iraq. After all, French, German and other European officials have insisted all along that the success or failure of Iraq is as much a vital interest for them as for the United States. They've also insisted, understandably, that if the United States wanted their help, it would have to give them a say over policy in Iraq.

Unfortunately, now that the Bush administration has finally acquiesced to their requests, it appears that France and Germany are refusing to fulfill their end of the bargain. Leaders of both countries have declared they will not send troops to assist in Iraq under any circumstances.

The positions staked out by the French and German governments are an abdication of international responsibility. Everyone knows success in Iraq will require a greater effort on the part of the international community than has so far been forthcoming. The United Nations will have to establish a major operation on the ground if it is to assist the Iraqi government through a difficult political transition. An intensive training and equipment program for Iraqi security forces -- including police, civil defense and regular military forces -- will ultimately enable the Iraqis to maintain security. But until then the task will fall mainly on the multinational forces.

Thanks to bad planning by the Pentagon, there have never been enough troops in Iraq. At least in the short run, real security requires additional troops. Most of those troops need to come from the United States. But American friends and allies should be sending more forces as well.

Beyond the needs in Iraq, there are broader issues at stake. Above all, there is the question of whether there is any meaning left in the term "alliance." If some of the strongest NATO powers refuse to participate in vital security missions, such as that in Iraq, then it should hardly be surprising when Americans and their leaders begin to dismiss those nations as serious strategic partners. Good allies don't join only the causes that they choose and that are already going well. When the United States sent troops to Bosnia and later fought the Kosovo war, it was not because the Europeans had handled those situations well. Much of the reason the United States fought in the Balkans during the 1990s was for the sake of the alliance itself.

Now that the Security Council has opened the door to internationalization in Iraq, the Europeans would be wise to step through. Alliance leaders meeting in Istanbul later this month should agree to take over the security training and equipping mission immediately, with a country such as Germany (which is already involved in training some police) perhaps taking the lead. They should also agree that NATO will take command of the Polish-led sector in southern Iraq immediately and begin planning for eventually placing the entire multinational force under NATO command.

It will be a deadly blow to trans-Atlantic relations if NATO does not become involved in providing security in Iraq. Many Europeans believe their problem is only with the Bush administration. That's a dangerous miscalculation. If John Kerry wins in November, one of his first acts will be to request Europe's help in Iraq. If France and Germany are intent on saying no, then future American administrations, including Kerry's, will have to reconsider the value of the alliance. Do Europeans really want to sever their strategic ties to the United States? If not, they need to understand that the ball is now in their court.

Ivo Daalder is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Robert Kagan is a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. This commentary appeared originally in the Washington Post.





http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/22/EDGUM78ROD1.DTL


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PostPosted: 06 Aug 2004, 11:28 
The UN is an organization composed of states ruled by thugs, murderers, and thieves.

Consider some of the international approval we're seeking(this is the short list of UN bad guys- all of whom have a vote):

Iran, Syria, Rhodesia, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, People's republic of China, North Korea, Russia, Mexico, Columbia, Argentina, Chile, Pakistan, Jordan, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Belarus, Sudan, and oh yes.......the french<spit>.

All but two of those nations have one thing in common.

They're all lead by dictators or corrupt governments.

Of the other two, one has 5,000 nuclear weapons pointed at us, and the other attempts to block us whatever we do.

France labeled the US a 'hyper power, and threat to world peace' under the Klinton administration. Let's not forget that.

No, we ought not ever seek UN approval for anything. We should in fact withdraw from the UN and expel it's members from our country.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"

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Evict them like a slum lord would on the second!

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What else would one expect from a people who do not give a rats ass about anything but themselves. The french are not happy unless they're in charge of the world.


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You all are correct. Its high time the leadership of this country to put together a security/humanitarian/political alliance with other amenable nations based to a great extent on our needs and vision. Not that we ignore or dismiss other nations by any means. Just that we look after our own interests first. Some think we already do that but not to the extent we could or should IMHO.

As far as Im concerned Germany(And Im 3/4 German for cripes sake..it must be the 1/4 Irish part that keeps me sane. Or is that insane? LOL) and France but especially France can KMA.

The UK is being inexorably pulled into the European swamp. Look for the UK military to be totally subsumed into the European Union paradigm over the next decade or so. And the roughly 200,000 or so strong military be slashed in 1/2. After recently announced 15,000 personnel cuts the breakdown will be 108,000 to 102000 Army, 48500 to 41000RAF and 37,500 to 36000RN for a total of 179,000.

Comparable to the size of the USMC which last I looked if not mistaken was around 172-174,000 which isnt encumbered with the totally separate bureaucracies which inflate the UK figures. Off course the USN provides the medical/dental support among some other bureaucratic funtions. IF you threw them in and the # of USN people and ships that directly support the USMC youd of course have a much larger force. Almost forgot to add any USAF tanking and airlift assets that the USMC might use. They already have their own AF for the most part especially for the close-support and short-range strike/fighter missions.


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