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It will be interesting to see how Memogate plays out. The reports are saying CBS got the forged memos from a DNC staffer. So either the DNC forged the memos, or they passed along forged memos.

And I don't see how anyone with half a brain and above the age of 40 could not see that the memos are fakes. Maybe folks that never used a typewriter might not see it, but Dan Rather is no spring chicken.

Look at where it says 187th in the 4th line. That's a Word superscript. How would you do that with a typewriter? There's no key for that. I've actually had to type superscripts using a typewriter back in the old days (late 70s, early 80s). You have to roll the paper up half a line and then you type a lower case th. Then you roll the paper back and keep typing. But the superscript th is clearly smaller that lower case t and h elsewhere in the document. And underlined to boot. You know how hard it would be to line up an underline on a superscript with a typewriter?

Not to mention that the spacing between the letters is proportional, which is not how it would have been on a typewriter.

This memo was clearly written on a computer, probably with MS Word, and printed on a laser printer.

They made an effort to make it look old. Probably copies of a copy. The initials may even be authentic. Easy enough to do. (I did this as a gag on one of my coworkers a long time ago) You get a memo with an actual signature or initials and run it through the copier and load a tranparency. So now you have the signature on a clear piece of plastic. You write up the gag memo and cut the signature out from the tranparency. Tape it in place on the gag memo and make a copy. Now you have a copy with the actual signature or initials of someone else on it.

My guess is a DNC staffer in their 20s did it. Someone that has never used a typewriter or seen a memo that did not come off a laser printer.

Interesting what a guy can learn when their Mother is a 30 Year U.S. Treasury Agent, that specialised in Counterfit investigations

http://www.digitalvalhalla.net/misc/bus ... gust18.pdf

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Hah hah!!!(ala Nelson Munz)...

Dan Rather will end his career with a flop,
Good Riddance.

NO FAIR Carl Rove set us up. (DAMN CARL If you did it is beautiful. We all know you'll never admit it though.)

The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
McAuliffe denies involvement in memos flap
By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published September 10, 2004
Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe today said neither his organization nor John Kerry´s campaign leaked to CBS documents questioning President Bush´s service record, which may have been forged.
He suggested White House adviser Karl Rove could be behind the documents.
"I can unequivocally say that no one involved here at the Democratic National Committee had anything at all to do with any of those documents. If I were an aspiring young journalist, I think I would ask Karl Rove that question," Mr. McAuliffe said.
Asked later if he believed Mr. Rove or Republican operatives were involved, he said: "I am telling you that nobody -- Democratic National Committee or groups associate with us -- were involved in any way with these documents. I am just saying I would ask Karl Rove the same question."
He did not explain how the White House would benefit by providing forged documents trying to undermine Mr. Bush´s service record, but emphasized that he "can unequivocally speak for the Kerry campaign" in saying they had nothing to do with the documents either.
The documents, whose authenticity are being questioned by experts who say the type face used may not have existed when they were supposed to have been written, became the center of the political world Wednesday when CBS reported about them on "60 Minutes."
They show Mr. Bush ignored a direct order to get a physical from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984, and was then grounded as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. CBS said it stands by its reporting and that the documents were "thoroughly examined."
The Prowler, an Internet political column, is reporting that the documents attributed to Col. Killian were given to a DNC staffer "more than six weeks ago." It says the documents were handed over to the campaign of Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry.
News outlets have reported that both the son and wife of Col. Killian, said while one of the documents sounded authentic, they doubted Col. Killian would have written another that said he was encouraged to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush´s performance.
The White House and Bush campaign did not immediately return calls for comment, nor did Mr. Kerry´s campaign.

I WAS WATCHING CBS RESPONSE ON THE NEWS,

THEIR STANDING BY IT ON 2 POINTS
1. THAT A TYPEWRITER USED BY THE TEXAS ANG AS EARLY AS 68 DID HAVE SUPER SCRIPT. AND ALSO SHOWING RECORDS PROVIDE BY THE WHITE HOUSE SHOWED THE SAME SUPER SCRIPT IN THE RECORDS RELEASED BY BUSH. (HUMMMMMM?) PLUS THE TYPE WHICH IT IS WRITTEN HAS BEEN IN USE SINCE 1933

2. THE HANDWRITING AND HOW HE SIGNED IT. THAT ONES UP IN THE AIR

THIS IS BETTER THAN A CHARLIE CHAN SHOW,LETS ASK NUMBER 1 SON.

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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ok Goose lets suppose all these documents from CBS are true and that Bush did not want to go to Vietnam a war that was not be fought to be won. I thought the whole thing about Clinton being elected proved not wanting to die in that hell hole was a non issue.

In your career again if your records were scrutinized 35 years later could someone find dirt on you and could that dirt be pose in a manner that discredits you the man 35 years later. What I am saying is what the hell does this crap have to do with price in china today. Bush got his honorable discharge is not claiming to be a hero, and has said Kerry's service was more dangerous ect. Kerry is the one who went on the record leading protest against the war ect. So at the end of the day at worst you have to men who did not want to die in vietnam.

Lets get back to today's issues, this why the democratic party is going to loose this election their heads are stuck in 1973.

I got slapped with a couple article 15's in my career(got caught with 1000rds of 7.62 expended blank linked ammunition that i was planning on taking home with me at ETS- and i did command an APC that sunk in a swamp, lol. Both were summaries though)...we all have had counseling sessions, or poor performance ratings at one point or another.

The article i posted on the other thread(plus mudd's observations) pretty clearly demonstrates this document was typed in MS word.

I still want to know where the 106 pages of Kerry docs are- AND WHY ISN'T THE MEDIA SCREAMING TO HAVE THEM RELEASED?

Because they're biased skells, that's why.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

YOU CANT GO BACK NOW AND SAY IT DOESNT MATTER MATT,YOU GUYS HAD THREAD AFTER THREAD TALKING ABOUT KERRY MAKING UP HIS MEDALS AND WAR RECORD,NOW THAT BUSH'S HAS BEEN CALLED OUT YOU SAY IT DOESNT MATTER NOW.

I AGREE IT DOESNT MEAN A PLIE OF SHIT,KERRY FU THE VIETNAM THING AFTER BILLY BOB TOLD HIM TO BACK OFF,CHENEY NOW IS BACK PEDDLING ON HIS COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER DAY" THE COMMENT ON IF YOU VOTE WRONG THEIR WILL BE AN ATTACK.
BUSH BACK PEDDLED ON WEATHER OR NOT WE CAN WIN THE WAR ON TERROR,ONE DAY NO,NEXT DAY YES.
DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I GOT THE SAME THING ON ANOTHER BOARD AND THEIR ALL VETS AND HATE BUSH,BUT THEY DO THE SAME THING,ONLY TALK ABOUT PRO KERRY ANTI BUSH STUFF.

SPEAKING OF RECORDS SNIPE I GOT 2 LOR'S 1 FOR TELLING A QA INSPECTOR TO "F---- HIMSELF" AND THE OTHER FOR TEARING UP A BS QA FAILURE AND THROWNING AT THE INSPECTORS AND WHO CAN REMEMBER ALL THE DSV'S
ASK ME I'LL GIVE YOU MY OWN DIRT

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT,OK

ITS GOING TO BE A VERY VERY CLOSE RACE,AND NO MATTER WHO WINS IT'LL BE EITHER "WE WERE ROBBED" OR "I TOLD YOU SO"

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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the issue on Kerry is he and the DNC have called him a war hero Bush has made no such claim.

When a man steps out and says the things Kerry has then the issue of his actual service are free game. Kerry did this to himself.

a sniper with counceling and ammo close down the roof tops.

THEY WERE SPECIAL IN HIS HEART.

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

I don't think the election is going to be very close at all.

I predict a 53% popular vote win for bush, and the resultant electoral college landslide that such a vote will bring along with it.

PS....the difference between Kerry and Bush wrt their military service is that bush admits to having been nothing special as a soldier.

It's Kerry that wants to be johnny war hero.

Think about all the people on this board that have seen combat. How many of them do you ever hear brag about it?

That's why i'm utterly convinced Kerry is a fake.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.