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range at England AFB, you were probably watching the boys from the 23rd Fighter Group to their thing. Actually, back then it was probably 23rd Tactical Fighter Group. One of the guys going through
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Goose, along with myself and some of the other "Flying Tigers" hereabouts are <b>very</b> familiar with the history of the Flying Tigers. We lived and breathed the history of our old unit. Wing Headquarters had a lot of AVG memorabilia in the lobby of Wing Headquarters.

And, we were the 23rd Fighter Wing back then.

Been out to Claiborne range myself, and have a few photos of the event. Took my now 21-year-old nephew (he was five then, and not my nephew then - married his aunt) out to Claiborne.

As we climbed the range tower, some Hawgs from the base came by. I asked him if he was ok, and did he want to continue up the tower. "I'm fine! Let's go!" And he <b>was</b> fine, until........ they started their strafing runs. We were near the top of the tower, and he was ready to head for the bottom! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I'm not sure if you're familiar with the history of the 23rd, but they are the 'descendants' of the famous flying Tigers of WWII and wear the same type of shark's teeth on the front of their jets. Pretty cool.
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SgtGoose and myself, along with Misfit117, Hawgdawg, and a few others around here, have "brushed many a "Tiger's Teeth"" in our day. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Again, thanks for the kind words, and I'll be sure to share more as it gets more interesting!
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It's already interesting now!


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LIKE 80-248 WE WE'RE IN THE 23TFW /76TH AMU/TFS
SO IF YOU FLY BETWEEN TEXAS AND LOUISANA AND CROSSED A BIG LAKE THATS "TOLEDO BEND"
AND TO ADD TO THE LIST
NINJA-MAN ,YO-PAUL AND TRICKYLIL ALL OLD 23TFW/76TH AMU/TFS

ASK THE "LTCOL" WHICH OP'S HE FLEW OUT OF IN THE OLD "23TFW"


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KADS is located near Dallas. I took noticed that you mentioned General Ihle. I've been to the 917th on several different occasions when I was about 15 years of age (1987). There was
a gentleman that worked with my dad at the Shreveport Times who happened to be a neighbor of General Ihle. Luckly, then Maj. Ihle was kind enough to show me the A-10 up close and personal. I will never forget sitting in the A-10 and being so young and having General Ihle share his experience with me. Though I never completed my goal to fly the A-10, I'm very much in the aviation industry. If you ever get the chance to see General Ihle again, please tell him that the young long haired boy named Jeff Cobbs from years ago says, Hello!

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Where are you currently going to school, and what are you majoring in? When are you going to graduate? I'm more than happy to answer any and all questions you may have, and if I can't answer them, I'll solicit some opinions from guys here who have been there and done that.

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I go to school in Daytona Beach, FL - Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Majoring in Aerospace Engineering supposed to graduate in 2005 (I'm a sophomore now). Ever since I was about 5 years old I wanted to fly fighter jets. Until recently, I was really into F-22s, but a 30mm cannon is really inspiring.

Also, what kind of workout do you recomend? (cardio I imagine?)


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SgtGoose and myself, along with Misfit117, Hawgdawg, and a few others around here, have "brushed many a "Tiger's Teeth"" in our day. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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WOW - sounds like there's a bit of history going on with you guys! I know SgtGoose was over in the sandbox, were you guys too?



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KADS is located near Dallas. I took noticed that you mentioned General Ihle. I've been to the 917th on several different occasions when I was about 15 years of age (1987). There was
a gentleman that worked with my dad at the Shreveport Times who happened to be a neighbor of General Ihle. Luckly, then Maj. Ihle was kind enough to show me the A-10 up close and personal. I will never forget sitting in the A-10 and being so young and having General Ihle share his experience with me. Though I never completed my goal to fly the A-10, I'm very much in the aviation industry. If you ever get the chance to see General Ihle again, please tell him that the young long haired boy named Jeff Cobbs from years ago says, Hello!

Thank you,
Jeff-

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I will certainly relay this message to him. Every time a young person asks me about the A-10, or anything aviation related, I think back to when I was younger and asking pilots how they got started, what it was like to fly the airplane, etc. Most of them were more than happy to talk to someone who showed an interest, and now I try to show the younger set that same courtesy. You never know when you might be the one to 'plant the seed' in someone's head about a career in some aviation related field.



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COMMJAM, 80-248(MACK) NINJA-MAN,YO-PAUL WE WERE ALL TOGETHER,THERE IS ALSO OLD "M.BEACH" MB GUYS HERE WHO ALSO PLAYED IN THE "BOX"
SOME OF US WORKED TOGETHER AT THE F.O.L'S.
THAT TO ME WAS THE "BEST GATHERING OF HOG'S" EVER
EL.MB,NO,NF,I DONT REMEMBER THE UK GUYS TAIL CODE AND THE ONE "BD" HOG.
ALMOST 150 A-10'S
PLUS THERE IS VETS HERE FROM "JUST CAUSE" "BOSNIA" SOUTHERN WATCH,
AND THE VIETNAM VETS. (YO-PAUL DID IT ALL)
THE VFW WOULD HAVE A FIELD DAY HERE!!!

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Goose: LOL, every time I see mention of the NO tail code, I wish we could have slaped a YES tailcode on those two Cajun birds we fixed up...that would have been too classic.

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Johny your set! Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University produces more pilots than the AFA!

Comm Jam thanks for this wounderful insight into the cokpit of the A-10. It's a good reminder why you have to work HARD! as for ROTC students: the statius of ROTC students is now the same as a student graduating from a service academy the same number of pilot slots will be open to both. If I'm wrong someone correct me. As far as I know that went online last spring.

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I know some people that went to the AFA and they told that about 600 people in the last graduating class got pilot slots, the rest (about 300 others I think) weren't PQ. Embry-Riddle makes about 50 pilots a year...(this only for the Air Force, since this college's biggest major is Aeronautical Science - commercial pilots) I'm not really sure if the ROTC students (nationwide) get the same ammount of pilot slots as AFA grads., but I know that ERAU is #2 (second only to the AFA) in making pilots. That's the main reason I came to this college in the first place. Of my freshman class, about 300 people were in ROTC, and only about 50 get pilot slots a year. Right now I think my class has about 150-200 students in ROTC still (for reasons of their own), so the odds are a little better. By the time I get to my senior year, there might be about 100 people or less, so that might help out quite a bit. Also that this detachment has been ranked #1 in the country quite a few times (including last year)- improves my chances a bit.

But enough babbling, what are the steps I should take in order to be a pilot(preferably a hog pilot)? I didn't do that good in the AFOQT last time I took it (I'm not majoring in being an engineer so how could I know most of that pilot stuff...).
Anyway, if anyone can make my job a little easier, don't hesitate =P (by the way, thanks already Comm Jam)



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JohnnyBoy:
I have a question for you...what have you heard about E-R's Aerospace Engineering program? I'm thinking about trying to work on a degree through them after I finish my upgrade training and CCAF degree...and then eventually moving back to my original plan of Computer Science...any input?

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ERAU is ranked, and has been for the past 4 years, #1 in undergrad Aerospace Engineering in the country. They also have a strong computer science program here as well as commercial pilot training. They also have some humanities majors, but nothing special about them.
I'm not positive about their masters program here, though I know they don't offer any PhD's here if that's what you're thinking.
Hope that answers your question.


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JohnnyBoy: Thanks for the input...as far as the Computer Science degree, I will be attending the University of Illinois for that, because they have the #3 computer science program in the nation (behind MIT and another Ivy League school), and I have 4 years of paid tuition at the U of I under the Illinois Veterans Bill, that is good from now to up to 10 years after I get out of the service.

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But enough babbling, what are the steps I should take in order to be a pilot(preferably a hog pilot)? I didn't do that good in the AFOQT last time I took it (I'm not majoring in being an engineer so how could I know most of that pilot stuff...).
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I thought you WERE an Aerospace Engineering major? Your last sentence there has me confused...I'm thinking you ARE an Aerospace Engineering major, and that's why you say, "...so how could I know most of that pilot stuff..."

Well, you better get to know that 'stuff'! First off, before I say anything else, read this next sentence and comply. DO NOT TAKE THE AFOQT AGAIN UNTIL YOU ARE FULLY PREPARED FOR IT AND ARE CERTAIN YOU WILL EXCEL ON IT. I say again, DO NOT TAKE THE AFOQT UNTIL YOU KNOW YOU WILL DO WELL ON IT!!! You only get two chances at the test, and it sounds like you blew one of them. The AFOQT is a HUGE factor in determining whether you will get to pilot training, so treat it as such.

A friend of mine was in your detachment at Embry-Riddle about 6 or 7 years ago, and took the AFOQT without preparing for it. The ROTC commander had this individual take the test again when they weren't ready for it, and BINGO, a potential pilot slot was pissed away. Do not let anyone force you into taking the AFOQT again before you are ready. I don't care if your detachment commander orders you to take the test tomorrow, or else you'll be kicked out of ROTC. Don't take it again until you are ready. Understand???

Now, you do need to prepare for the test, and here is the book that will help you with that:

www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0768910 ... 46-0503227

On that page, you'll also notice they have a 'great buy' where you get the Military Flight Aptitude Tests (Military Flight Aptitude Tests, 5th Ed) by Solomon Weiner (which is the one I recommend) and another book for prep for $42.42. I can't say anything about the other book, since I used the one by Solomon Weiner to prepare for my test. However, if you want to do well, I'd get both books, buckle down, and learn them inside and out. One tip, which you will most likely find in the books, is to not leave any blank answers on the entire test. If you leave a question blank, it is wrong. If you make an educated guess, or you run out of time for a particular section and just start filling in circles, you might just get a few more points than if you left the questions blank. It doesn't count against you, so go for it.

On to the next point...you asked what 'steps' you have to take to get into the cockpit of an A-10. Well, there isn't a 12-step program to the Warthog cockpit. Instead, you have to strive to do your best and work hard day to day so that five or six years from now you find yourself at the A-10 FTU.

Having said that, there are certain things you can do to help yourself out. One of those things is to develop rigid self discipline and high personal standards. Those two traits were practically beaten into me in the Marines, but you don't have to spend 12 weeks at Parris Island to get them. If you keep your eye on the prize and remind yourself that discipline will help with everything you do in life, you'll do good. Take a look at some of your friends (or people you know)...how disciplined are they? Look at those people who have already dropped out of ROTC. Some did so because the military wasn't for them, but I'll bet you most of them beat feet because they suffer from a common trend among Americans: laziness, lack of discipline, low personal standards. How many people do you know at Riddle who sit in their dorm room, watching t.v. and scratching their a$$ instead of doing something productive with their time? These individuals should be studying, working out, etc. Instead, they waste precious time and don't get anything out of school. You get the point.

Another thing that you can do to help yourself out is to set goals. For each goal you make, you should write it down and put it somewhere that you can see it multiple times each day. On your refrigerator or above the desk where you study are good places. This way you will be constantly reminded of what you're working towards. Your goals should be specific, measurable, and attainable. For example, how about this goal: "I will pass the AFOQT with 100%." Is that a good goal? Not really. First, passing any test with 100% is asking a little much. No one is perfect. We should always strive for 100%, but let's also face reality here. So, make it attainable by saying 95% would be great on the pilot and nav scores. If you score higher, that's gravy. If you score a few points lower, you're still doing well. You also want to set a time frame that you will take the test in, like a month or two from now. So, here is how I would write that goal:

"Pass the AFOQT on 15 December 2002 with 95% on both pilot and nav sections."

I can also put other goals or notes below that to help me accomplish that task, and I would write them like this:

Pass the AFOQT on 15 December 2002 with 95% on both pilot and nav sections.
- Order AFOQT test prep books on 23 OCT 2002
- Study for AFOQT Monday through Thursday, 1700-1800
- Take practice tests in prep books on 1 December 2002

You get the idea. You want to set short, medium, and long range goals that will get you to where you want to be. Some short range goals should be passing tests in various subjects at school, passing the AFOQT, earning leadership positions in ROTC, etc. Medium range goals might be things like graduating Riddle with a good GPA, investigating the application process to go to UPT at Sheppard AFB through the ENJJPT program, and things like that. Long range goals such as getting into the cockpit of an A-10 are going to be less measurable since they are so far off into the future, but they should be written down as a constant reminder of why you are working so hard. By analyzing your long range goals, you might be surprised what goals you can come up with in the short and medium range to help you achieve what you want to do. I would recommend that you only post your short term goals in immediate view, since looking at all of your goals may seem overwhelming. As you accomplish these things, cross them off your list, but save that piece of paper even when everything is crossed off of it. When it seems like you're not getting anywhere, you can look back at goals you've accomplished and realize you are working hard and getting things done.

Speaking of not getting anywhere, there will be days (sometimes an entire week) that you work your a$$ off and it seems like you can't get anything done, or that you are continually screwing up. Don't let it phase you, no matter what it is. Maintain your discipline, push through it, and things will get better. Keep your chin up, having a s--t day or week builds character.

You asked about a work out program...I do mainly anaerobic exercise (weightlifting) with aerobics to maintain the cardiovascular system. I concentrate on lifting weights because it builds G tolerance, my body type doesn't lend itself to packing on much muscle, and the chicks dig it (which is especially important in Daytona Beach). I work out upper body on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and lower body on Tuesday, Thrusday, and Saturday. Sunday is my day off. I usually work out around 0530, but that's a holdover from the Marines. However, I notice my day is much better and I have more energy if I work out before I really start my day. I also change what exercises I do once a week or once every other week to continually 'shock' my muscles. If you do the same workout over and over, you'll get bored with it, your muscles will adapt to it and not show measurable gains in mass or the amount of weight you can lift. For aerobics, I usually do about 20 to 30 minutes in the afternoons on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. As far as what type of exercises, how to do them, etc., I can recommend the book Body-for-Life by Bill Philips. It is a good place to start building a program for yourself, though you can easily find good exercise routines in Men's Health, Muscle and Fitness, and other fitness magazines.

One thing that is often overlooked is proper nutrition. If your body isn't getting the right fuel, you're not going to perform to your peak performance level. Fresh fruits and vegetables that are not overcooked (like they are in the Riddle cafeteria) are important. I eat a lot of chicken and tunafish, because they are great sources of protein for building muscle. Also, drinking a lot of water and staying hydrated is huge, and is a big factor in Florida where you sweat a lot.

Well, that's about all I can think of right now. Let me know if you have any more questions, I'm always glad to answer them if I can. Stay focused, work hard, set high standards for yourself and maintain the discipline to accomplish your goals. Much success in the future, I'm looking forward to the day you can tell me about firing the 30mm for the first time!

PUSH IT UP!



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Thanks a lot Comm Jam. I messed up on my typing, I AM an Aerospace Engineering student =P (honest mistake!)Thanks for all the info and the motivation you just gave me!! I look forward to checking in to lead Comm Jam.


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damn that was the first time i've read that how amazing was that!! - got any updates Jam? <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>


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Comm Jam,

Thanks! That was great. I worked the hog for 8 years and my last Station was the 23rd at Pope, 9204 was my jet. I did not play in the sand with Goose and the others, because I was busy working as an FE for the 30th MAS at McGuire in Jersey.

My dad was a NAV with the Army Aircorp during WWII and flew cargo support missions in China and Africa. He told me many stories about the tigers and the support that they gave the transports that flew the “Hump” I recently came across his hand written school notes that he did in 1943 and NAV Maps of the So Pacific. I also found notes in his book that talked about the tigers and how they loved to throw a barrel row in front of the transports, just to show that they were there.

Thanks for the story!


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