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ok some of u may or may not know that i'm a graphic artist

- i'm currently doing some research for my next digital painting (i was going to do an F-15, but i'm putting that on the back burner to produce another Hog 1 )

can someone let me know - or point me towards a source that can tell me what the loadout was for tank hunting missions during this last conflict?

thanx in advance for any info

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can someone let me know - or point me towards a source that can tell me what the loadout was for tank hunting missions during this last conflict?

thanx in advance for any info
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Station 1: ALQ-184 ECM pod

Station(s) 2 (and 10, but sometimes only one was carried): LAU-131 rocket pod -- make sure the missile warheads stick out of the front of the pod, the newer rockets with MK66 rocket motors are longer than the older ones

Station 3: AGM-65B E/O Maverick on a LAU-117 single rail launcher

Stations 4, 5, 7 and 8: Single MK-82HD Ballutes (not Snake-eyes, they aren't used by Air Force jets anymore) 'parent mounted' directly to the pylon

Station 9: AGM-65D or G IR Maverick on a LAU-117 single rail launcher

Station 10: Decide if you want another LAU-131 rocket pod on this pylon opposite the one on station 2

Station 11: Two AIM-9Ms on DRA

Of course, 1150 rounds (they weren't topping off the gun with 1174) of party mix 30mm depleted uranium and high explosive fun (but you can't see that from the outside).

Enjoy!



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ok so let me get the station numbers the right way

L**** front of aircraft ****R (looking at)
1 2 3 4 |5 6 7| 8 9 10 11


Gah can't find a decent pic of the LAU-131 rocket pod anywhere

any1 got a close up of 1?

Edited by - Yojimbo on Apr 17 2003 06:52 AM

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ok so let me get the station numbers the right way

L**** front of aircraft ****R (looking at)
1 2 3 4 |5 6 7| 8 9 10 11
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All of the above is correct except for you labeling the view as 'front of aircraft'. The stations start on the left wing, as if you were sitting in the cockpit, and work over to the right wing. If you relabeled your diagram so you were looking at the aircraft from behind, it would be correct.

For future reference, you'll never see stores loaded on stations 5, 6 and 7 simultaneously. It's either one store on 6 with 5 and 7 empty, or stores loaded on 5, or 7, or 5 and 7.



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hmm have to change the pic then <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

<img src="http://graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/pics/TankAttack_3.jpg" border=0>

DOH! oh well shouldn't take too long to correct..

Edited by - Yojimbo on Apr 18 2003 01:38 AM

Never look down the end of a gun...stations are from left to right on the jet. You can also substitute CBU-87 on stations 4, 5, 7, and 8 instead of Mk-82s. And put a SUU-25 on station 10 for night illumination.

Coach

<img src="http://www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/pics/TankAttack_4.jpg" border=0>
sorted

made a mistake with the markings <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> but i've corrected that now and its a flying tiger now

<img src="http://www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/TankAttack_5.jpg" border=0>

Water colors Jimbo?

"Nuts"

ok little update b4 i go home - wish i could spend all weekend on this, but marshalling paintball tomorrow and easter on sunday - oh well roll on tuesday <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

starting to flesh out the basic colours now <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
<img src="http://www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/TankAttack_6.jpg" border=0>

and actual size detail shot - not finished on this area more details to go in - but just working to get some details in on all the aircraft, then i'll go in and stick more detail in
<img src="http://www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/TankAttack_6a.jpg" border=0>

Coming together nicely man....keep us posted.

"Nuts"

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Station 1: ALQ-184 ECM pod

Station(s) 2 (and 10, but sometimes only one was carried): LAU-131 rocket pod -- make sure the missile warheads stick out of the front of the pod, the newer rockets with MK66 rocket motors are longer than the older ones
Station 3: AGM-65B E/O Maverick on a LAU-117 single rail launcher

Stations 4, 5, 7 and 8: Single MK-82HD Ballutes (not Snake-eyes, they aren't used by Air Force jets anymore) 'parent mounted' directly to the pylon

Station 9: AGM-65D or G IR Maverick on a LAU-117 single rail launcher

Station 10: Decide if you want another LAU-131 rocket pod on this pylon opposite the one on station 2

Station 11: Two AIM-9Ms on DRA

Of course, 1150 rounds (they weren't topping off the gun with 1174) of party mix 30mm depleted uranium and high explosive fun (but you can't see that from the outside).

Enjoy!
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Just for accuracy...

We didn't have any rockets sticking out of the rocket pods. It is true that the these rockets are longer, but they now reach to the edge of the front of the pod instead of being buried in the pods. We had WP rockets on station 2 and if we had rockets on station 10, they were HE rockets. Normally, however, there'd be a SUU-25 (Like Coach said) on station 10 for illumination. This was carried on night a day sorties because we are limited on load crews. The permanent SUU loading happened about 1 week into the war.

We're carrying MK82LD with either the DSU-33 or the FMU-113 on the nose. We haven't carried HDs since I've been here, mainly because they're used in a low altitude environment.

Finally, for some reason, the D or G2 model Maverick was always on Station 3 and the B model on Station 9. However, we didn't start loading B models until half way through the war (all of 2 weeks) when we started running out of Ds and G2s. For the same reason we always had a SUU, we also always had the B models, even at night.

..ed..



Edited by - tinygiant on Apr 18 2003 10:58 AM

Tiny are you saying we didnt get rid of the B versions first. Something tells me some contractor like the idea of having to replay the new models $$$$.

Proud of you all, and thanks for helping the economy.

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Tiny are you saying we didnt get rid of the B versions first. Something tells me some contractor like the idea of having to replay the new models $$$$.

Proud of you all, and thanks for helping the economy.
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We did not get rid of the B models first, even though pretty much every though we should've. We wanted to fire out the entire inventory. Still, I've fired between 15 and 20 Mavericks this war and only one of them was a B Model. All of the others were G2s except for one D Model. Does somethine die more if you throw more money at it?

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made a mistake with the markings <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> but i've corrected that now and its a flying tiger now

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Jimbo -

Just in case you're curious, I did a quick MIL sizing of your picture and figured out that the closer A-10 is at about 2,250' slant range from the tank column. The viewer is about 150' further away from the closest A-10. The A-10 coming off target and popping flares is about 2,400' from the viewer, or 2,250' from the closest A-10. Makes sense if he flew directly over the tank column, but I don't know any Hog driver who would want to do that...you can explain that away as a restriction placed on him by the ground FAC.

These are all very close numbers in a tactical situation. It would imply that it is a troops in contact situation, and that both A-10s have just come off from near-simultaneous (about 15 second spacing, actually) guns attacks on the column. My suggestion would be to have the farther A-10 turning AWAY from the viewer and the closer A-10. Also, you might want to make the tank on the far right (appears to be the lead tank) on fire as well. 2,250' is a might tight for a 180 degree turn, but if you had #1 (closer jet) going after the far right target with it burning some thick, black smoke, it would seem plausible. Maybe the tank that you currently show on fire could be in the processing of exploding with some nice secondaries as the ammo lights off inside the tank from #2s (farther jet) gun's pass. Now the number two and three tanks are caught in a pickle, and the Hogs can press back in for an immediate guns reattack to finish them off.

One last thing...when you get to working on the pilot of the closest jet, be sure he's looking back towards the targets. It looks like he has pulled almost 180 degrees from his run-in heading, and he would be looking for threats shooting at his wingman as well as getting a quick BDA before egressing and getting back into a tactical formation with his number two man (or woman!) to set up for the reattack.

Looks like it's coming along nicely, you can take or leave what I said and either way it's going to look good!



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TG -

Thanks for fixing the loadout I posted. I was going off MISREPS, and they don't say which station has what loaded on it.

If you have a chance, take a look at my post about the MIL sizes, and see if what I have to say sounds about right. I'm still working on caging my eye...

Sorry to hear that there isn't anything to shoot over there anymore. Hopefully that means you'll all be home soon. Tell the junior Battle Creek MPC folks, Fembot, (a.k.a. Knuckles) and Prich (a.k.a. Bambi) I said hello and there's a couple of bottles of Captain waiting for them stateside...but they'll have to come to PA to get it!



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TG -

Thanks for fixing the loadout I posted. I was going off MISREPS, and they don't say which station has what loaded on it.

If you have a chance, take a look at my post about the MIL sizes, and see if what I have to say sounds about right. I'm still working on caging my eye...

Sorry to hear that there isn't anything to shoot over there anymore. Hopefully that means you'll all be home soon. Tell the junior Battle Creek MPC folks, Fembot, (a.k.a. Knuckles) and Prich (a.k.a. Bambi) I said hello and there's a couple of bottles of Captain waiting for them stateside...but they'll have to come to PA to get it!

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That's a lot of numbers to deal with for a pilot. But I'll see what I can do. And I'll let 'em know about the alkyhawl. I'm sure they'll enjoy it.

Well tiny I dont know if more money means your more dead. But I do know someone back states side is happy to have a job. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

With this economy that is not a bad thing. I run a start up company and can tell you. The way you guys put an end to this war has made a definite change in the way people are looking at the future. Instead of looking over there should waiting for the next attack, people are looking foreward to getting back to work and investing. Again thank you guys for making investors feel safe again. Peace is wonderful tonic for job growth.

I believe i read that there is an ongoing upgrade program for the older Mavs to be returned to the factory and refitted as the latest IIR model(G2 i guess?).

That could explain why they fired the new ones off first, but it's just a guess.

"Nuts"

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I believe i read that there is an ongoing upgrade program for the older Mavs to be returned to the factory and refitted as the latest IIR model(G2 i guess?).

That could explain why they fired the new ones off first, but it's just a guess.
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Actually, there is a program to upgrade A and B model Mavericks to H and K models. Huge difference in the picture quality, eliminates some limitations we had with the A and B models as well.



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Jimbo -

Just in case you're curious, I did a quick MIL sizing of your picture and figured out that the closer A-10 is at about 2,250' slant range from the tank column. The viewer is about 150' further away from the closest A-10. The A-10 coming off target and popping flares is about 2,400' from the viewer, or 2,250' from the closest A-10. Makes sense if he flew directly over the tank column, but I don't know any Hog driver who would want to do that...you can explain that away as a restriction placed on him by the ground FAC.

These are all very close numbers in a tactical situation. It would imply that it is a troops in contact situation, and that both A-10s have just come off from near-simultaneous (about 15 second spacing, actually) guns attacks on the column. My suggestion would be to have the farther A-10 turning AWAY from the viewer and the closer A-10. Also, you might want to make the tank on the far right (appears to be the lead tank) on fire as well. 2,250' is a might tight for a 180 degree turn, but if you had #1 (closer jet) going after the far right target with it burning some thick, black smoke, it would seem plausible. Maybe the tank that you currently show on fire could be in the processing of exploding with some nice secondaries as the ammo lights off inside the tank from #2s (farther jet) gun's pass. Now the number two and three tanks are caught in a pickle, and the Hogs can press back in for an immediate guns reattack to finish them off.

One last thing...when you get to working on the pilot of the closest jet, be sure he's looking back towards the targets. It looks like he has pulled almost 180 degrees from his run-in heading, and he would be looking for threats shooting at his wingman as well as getting a quick BDA before egressing and getting back into a tactical formation with his number two man (or woman!) to set up for the reattack.

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thanx for the input A2M <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> the tanks aren't set in stone atm - they're just a place holder till i get to that part: the idea of having secondaries from 1 of the tanks sounds like a really nice idea - i'll have to look into that <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

tbh i wasn't looking @ distance when i was laying this picture out - i just put what i felt was dramatic on the page <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

that mil scale u used - will it work the same when the picture is @ 42cm x 30cm ?

i'll get the #2 hog turning away <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> post more when i have time to paint <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> (this was sposed to b a flying visit in2 the office ...

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tbh i wasn't looking @ distance when i was laying this picture out - i just put what i felt was dramatic on the page <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

that mil scale u used - will it work the same when the picture is @ 42cm x 30cm ?
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Yes, it will. No matter how you scale the picture up or down in size, the spatial relationship between the tanks and jets in the picture will remain the same. The only thing that will change is the viewer's apparent 'distance' from the subjects. The larger you make the painting, the closer the viewer is to the #1 jet, and therefore everything else in the picture. The smaller the picture is, the farther the viewer is from the #1 jet.

Let us know how it's going when you get a chance!

By the way...is this artwork done entirely on the computer?




i'll get the #2 hog turning away <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> post more when i have time to paint <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> (this was sposed to b a flying visit in2 the office ...


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i would have posted sooner - but for some reason BT (British Telecom Broadband) won't let me view the forum.. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

yes all my art is done on the computer - appart from the thumbnail sketches i make - i'm currently working on a site to show how i put this piece together - www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting - i'll prolly change the way it looks by the time i'm finished with the pic

the file size is currently 179Mb in size.. just got a laptop so i can work away from the office - just need to get bb installed @ home

and yes i use a wacom tablet not a mouse <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

not had time to do alot to the painting this week - been working on other projects

little update on the cockpit
<img src="http://www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/TankAttack_7.jpg" border=0>

detail shot

<img src="http://www.graphic-artwork.co.uk/tankhunting/TankAttack_7a.jpg" border=0>

if any1 has pics/links to some nice pics with close up shots of pilots in the cockpit (pref from the left) i'd appreciate it



Edited by - Yojimbo on Apr 24 2003 05:21 AM

Coming together nicely bro.

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