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Author:  T-Bone [ 20 Apr 2003, 22:16 ]
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In theory, would it be possible to load an A-10 up with four sidewinders in a high threat environment? Since the outer wing ports both can carry two sidewinders apiece, would it be possible to position the ALQ-131 jamming pod somewhere else and mount four of 'em? Well what do you think is a wiser choice, ECM and 2xAIM-9 or 4xAIM-9? I am under the impression that the ALQ-131 is not as effective at jamming modern radars like the ones installed on the Su-27s.

Also, how is the roll rate of the A-10? Is it reponsive or is it sluggish?

Just some questions to ask before I get to finally fly my own A-10 in Lock On Modern Air Combat! :)

T-Bone


T-Bone
Author:  boomer [ 20 Apr 2003, 23:49 ]
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the roll rate would obviously depend on what was loaded on the wings. I remember a "stick jockey" here telling me the roll rate was adequete and was always more than he needed. F-16 and F-18 are upwards of like 180-220ยบ per second clean, so less than that if your patching a game, and around 3.5 sustained Gs, bout like an Apache helo

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Author:  AIR2MUD [ 21 Apr 2003, 03:31 ]
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In theory, would it be possible to load an A-10 up with four sidewinders in a high threat environment? Since the outer wing ports both can carry two sidewinders apiece, would it be possible to position the ALQ-131 jamming pod somewhere else and mount four of 'em? Well what do you think is a wiser choice, ECM and 2xAIM-9 or 4xAIM-9? I am under the impression that the ALQ-131 is not as effective at jamming modern radars like the ones installed on the Su-27s.
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Yes, we can mount two DRAs and four AIM-9s on stations 1 and 11. You cannot mount the jamming pod on any other stations besides 1 and 11. If the air to air threat is that drastic, I think I'll delay my launch a half hour and let the F-15C guys (underworked and overpaid during the present conflict) do a offensive sweep before getting airborne. I'd rather take the pod than an extra pair of AIM-9s.

As for the second part of your question, don't be under any impression until you get a top secret clearance and find out what the pod is and isn't capable of. :-) Don't forget there are other ways to skin the air-to-air threat than getting in a furball with it or attempting to jam it.

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Also, how is the roll rate of the A-10? Is it reponsive or is it sluggish?
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Depends...what is loaded on the jet, how much stick deflection is used, is it a loaded or unloaded roll? 250+ knots with a clean jet, max stick deflection, 130 degrees per second isn't unheard of.

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Just some questions to ask before I get to finally fly my own A-10 in Lock On Modern Air Combat! :)
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About time we get a good simulator of the world's premeire CAS platform!



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Author:  M21 Sniper [ 21 Apr 2003, 09:21 ]
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Hey T-bone...you the same guy from military.com?

Just curious.

"Nuts"
Author:  boomer [ 21 Apr 2003, 12:42 ]
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yeah dont forget, todays jamm pods are programmable, and we have whole squadrons of aircraft/people working 24/7 just waiting for new planes to "light up" the radar so they can read it and start programming effective counter software to be tested and sent out. I think we learned our lesson on that back in '73.

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Author:  T-Bone [ 21 Apr 2003, 13:44 ]
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Nope, I am the T-Bone from F4Community.com ;)

If given a choice between A-10 and F-15C, which would you choose and why?

I am trying to decide which aircraft will be my mainstay. I like the idea of air superiority, but I also like the close down personal terrain masking nitty gritty missions that the A-10 performs with brute force...

T-Bone

T-Bone
Author:  AIR2MUD [ 21 Apr 2003, 13:52 ]
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If given a choice between A-10 and F-15C, which would you choose and why?
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The Hog, of course. I am biased because I fly them, but it should be obvious...we have the bigger gun.



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Author:  T-Bone [ 21 Apr 2003, 16:15 ]
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Wow, a real A-10 pilot! I can only pretend to do what you guys do. What do you enjoy most about your job? Also, what weapons would you recommend for anti-tank missions, CBU-87s? Also: if you load 4 Mk-84s on the plane, is it extremely detrimental to performance? How much damage can a Mk-84 do? Damn I can't wait to try the A-10 out for myself now :)

T-Bone

T-Bone
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 21 Apr 2003, 20:14 ]
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We have a bunch of Hog Drivers here.

Lemme see if i can get em all right...

Alfa Kilo
Warthog30
Tiny Giant
Coach
Bacon Bits
and of course Air2Mudd

Did i miss anyone?


"Nuts"
Author:  AIR2MUD [ 22 Apr 2003, 06:27 ]
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Wow, a real A-10 pilot!
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I'm just your average Joe Blow. It just so happens that I am extremely lucky to have made it to my dream job...I used to fly regional airliners. I took a 50% pay cut to go on active duty and do this, and the job satisfaction and quality of life have made it totally worth while.

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I can only pretend to do what you guys do. What do you enjoy most about your job?
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There are so many great things about this job that it's hard to narrow it down to just one particular point. The best part overall has to be the people. I have met so many talented, motivated, and dedicated people in this job. If you love aviation, the Air Force is the place to be.

It also goes without saying that actually flying the 'Hog is an awesome experience. When I was young, I remember being at the beach with my grandfather and watching A-10s flying out of Myrtle Beach thunder by about 50 feet above the ocean, hugging the coastline. The pilots were so low, they would wave at people on the beach (I'm convinced that they were scouting the babes). It is hard for me to believe that I'm the guy in the cockpit now! There simply is no comparison between hauling passengers around and shooting the GAU-8.

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Also, what weapons would you recommend for anti-tank missions, CBU-87s? Also: if you load 4 Mk-84s on the plane, is it extremely detrimental to performance? How much damage can a Mk-84 do? Damn I can't wait to try the A-10 out for myself now :)
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At my experience level, I would employ whatever my flight lead wanted me to! It depends upon the situation, but we would probably start off using Mavericks. Then we would use whatever else our squadron weapons officer decided to load on our jets -- and that is predicated on what is available in theater, and many other variables. For example, in Operation Iraqi Freedom, most jets had two Mavericks, 4 MK-82 low drags, 1150 rounds of 30mm combat mix, plus white phosphorus rockets (for marking targets), the jamming pod, two AIM-9 Sidewinders, and either a SUU-25 flare pod or another pod of high explosive rockets. Sometimes CBU-87 was loaded instead of the MK-82s.

The last time I dropped live MK-82s was about four months ago, and there is a huge difference in performance versus flying around with two TERs and six BDU-33 25 pound practice bombs -- but that is to be expected. Loading 4 MK-82s on the jet isn't as detrimental as 4 canisters of CBU-87. A MK-82 is a 500 pound weapon, whereas one can of CBU-87 weighs in at close to 1,000 pounds. Again, depending on the situation, you might want to drop the free-fall ordnance first so you lighten up the jet.

As far as a MK-84...it's a big boom. Lots of blast and frag. Let's put it this way...you don't want to be anywhere near it when it goes off.

Hope this answers your questions!



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Author:  epkpctech [ 22 Apr 2003, 06:59 ]
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Hey Air,

Your comments about MB are correct. I was told by a pilot that they would use the mav to scan out the girls on te beach. They also loved to pop up over the beach area by Springmaid pier.

About the MK-82's, we had a jet in Germany that went out with 6 MK-82's and on his first pass all six came off with only two selected. I have a video on VHS of the drop. It turned out that when Pilot turned on the master arm switch, it shorted a strob light, and caused stray volts to the other carts. when the pilot pickeled with two selected, he lost all 6.

Our sparky spent many hours in the book for this one.

pctech/xA10A crew Chief 9204.
Author:  AIR2MUD [ 22 Apr 2003, 08:02 ]
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Hey Air,

Your comments about MB are correct. I was told by a pilot that they would use the mav to scan out the girls on te beach. They also loved to pop up over the beach area by Springmaid pier.
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I'm not surprised! At the time, I was too young to realize that's what they were doing...but in retrospect, it is obvious! If we didn't have so many restrictions today, I have a feeling we'd be doing the same along the Jersey shore.

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About the MK-82's, we had a jet in Germany that went out with 6 MK-82's and on his first pass all six came off with only two selected. I have a video on VHS of the drop. It turned out that when Pilot turned on the master arm switch, it shorted a strob light, and caused stray volts to the other carts. when the pilot pickeled with two selected, he lost all 6.
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Wonderful! That would have been my luck...and then I would have had to try and explain that it really WASN'T a switch error.

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I can only imagine. My hat's off to the guys who do electrics...I wouldn't want to go through bundles and bundles of rat's nest wiring to figure out why the queertrons did this or that!



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Author:  boomer [ 22 Apr 2003, 12:47 ]
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hey just be glad you werent the Hun driver who shot down a B-52 with a Sidewinder and claimed he never even touched the trigger!!!

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