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Author:	prkiii [ 30 Mar 2004, 17:16 ]
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Saw this on ebay...doesn't look like the coin I got from Dice...a fake maybe??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... tegory=135 <img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/fake.jpg" border=0> If you look at the picture above...not only does the coin look like its made out of different metal, the flag is different (shows more stars) and it looks like it is in 3D...just thought ya'll would like to see this... <img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/70th.jpg" border=0><img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/Mav_shot.jpg" border=0><img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/25.jpg" border=0> Edited by - prkiii on Mar 30 2004 4:20 PM

Author:	MrMudd [ 30 Mar 2004, 17:23 ]
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Dice did say that he wasnt pleased with the last run and that their might be some changes. I havn't had time to swing over to his house to pick the one up I ordered from him. But im sure dice would of showed us any changes made to the coin. he always keeps us in the loop. Looks like a get rich quick scheme fake... "The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Author:	Hawg166 [ 30 Mar 2004, 17:31 ]
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Drat..........those nepharius villains are at it again. Someone call the bunko squad. By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a pearage or Westminster Abbey........Nelson

Author:	prkiii [ 30 Mar 2004, 18:34 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Dice did say that he wasnt pleased with the last run and that their might be some changes. I havn't had time to swing over to his house to pick the one up I ordered from him. But im sure dice would of showed us any changes made to the coin. he always keeps us in the loop. Looks like a get rich quick scheme fake... "The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> Basically the point I was making...we all know Dice would inform us of any updates/changes to the coin..... <img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/70th.jpg" border=0><img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/Mav_shot.jpg" border=0><img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/25.jpg" border=0>

Author:	Dice [ 30 Mar 2004, 18:37 ]
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Damn this is a rip-off...let me see what I can find out from ebay. Thanks prkiii, I will let you guys know what I find... HMFIC

Author:	prkiii [ 30 Mar 2004, 18:43 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Damn this is a rip-off...let me see what I can find out from ebay. Thanks prkiii, I will let you guys know what I find... HMFIC <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> no prob... <img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/70th.jpg" border=0><img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/Mav_shot.jpg" border=0><img src="http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v70/prkiii/25.jpg" border=0>

Author:	Dice [ 31 Mar 2004, 04:14 ]
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Well the "guy" removed the coin after I sent him a message asking where he got the coin or design. I didn't receive any answer just the fact he removed the coin. Did you guys look at the "other" items he had for sale? At least 10 other coins from the USAF, Army, and Navy. Looks to me like someone who has a connection to a coin makes and copies designs where ever he can find them and sells the rip-offs. Man that is pretty low to use other peoples ideas to make a few bucks and rip them off in the process by selling them a "knock-off" and not the real deal. I send him another message asking where he got the coin or design and told him if he didn't contact me I was going to contact ebay. I think I will also post a comment in his 99.9% good rating if I don't hear from him today and may make this a weekly thing to do! Maybe it time for a new section to the Hogpen...the wall of shame!!! <img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle> Good catch prkiii!!! HMFIC Edited by - Dice on Mar 31 2004 03:16 AM

Author:	30mike-mike [ 31 Mar 2004, 05:19 ]
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Bad enough <i>we</i> hijack our own threads, but our coin?<img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle> I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect, therefore, I am perfect.

Author:	koobster [ 31 Mar 2004, 05:52 ]
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You guys may not like me saying this but its true. Unless there is a pantent the guy can sell them. looking at the guys other sales all he does is sell coins. There is 3 coins on e-bay now. some paople make there living this way. get muddy

Author:	ervani [ 31 Mar 2004, 06:05 ]
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Maybe we can work together to lower his rating..... Dice can I buy that coins & the DVD , I've contacted you about the DVD a few weeks ago. The big question is>>> do you post to Europe? <img src="http://www.xs4all.nl/~ervani/ervani_sig.jpg" border=0> <br><br>Thou Mortal Grunt did you ever hear the sound of the GAU-Avenger? now you know how death sounds http://www.displaytigers.nl http://www.lastresort.nu

Author:	Dice [ 31 Mar 2004, 06:11 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> You guys may not like me saying this but its true. Unless there is a pantent the guy can sell them. looking at the guys other sales all he does is sell coins. There is 3 coins on e-bay now. some paople make there living this way. get muddy <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> Dude, a "pantent" does not apply to printed materal that's copyright and there is such a thing a implyed copyright. I can't copy one of Dru Blair's painting or Hank Cruso's work and resale it on ebay. What if you designed a tee-shirt to sell, are you saying I could copy it and sell it as mine?? HMFIC

Author:	Dice [ 31 Mar 2004, 06:25 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Maybe we can work together to lower his rating..... Dice can I buy that coins & the DVD , I've contacted you about the DVD a few weeks ago. The big question is>>> do you post to Europe? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> You better belive I will post this coin is a rip-off the our design and it's not the "offical" 30th coin. Maybe people will not care but at least they will know this dude copies other peoples work and sells them as his own for a profet! I thought I sent you the URL for the DVDs??? Also I don't have any more coins left but do have an order in for another 20, if you want more than a couple I would have to try an incress my order. HMFIC Edited by - Dice on Mar 31 2004 06:05 AM

Author:	30mike-mike [ 31 Mar 2004, 06:45 ]
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Jimbo- there's this guy on ebay I know with some coins...<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect, therefore, I am perfect.

Author:	Dice [ 31 Mar 2004, 06:53 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Jimbo- there's this guy on ebay I know with some coins...<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect, therefore, I am perfect. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> 30mm, boy have you become the "joker" of the boards latly...did your time in the sandbox give you a new outlook on life!! <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> HMFIC

Author:	ervani [ 31 Mar 2004, 07:00 ]
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This is not a matter of copyright.. atleast not for the Dutch law... It's not that easy to translate into english, but we call it creative-owner of the design... you don't have to protect it with copyright, the fact you've create the original is enough... About the DVD: yes you've send me the URL... the fact is i don't have a credit-card... but I know someone who have one.,.. give me one week and I order that DVD... about the coins... how many should I order? <img src="http://www.xs4all.nl/~ervani/ervani_sig.jpg" border=0> <br><br>Thou Mortal Grunt did you ever hear the sound of the GAU-Avenger? now you know how death sounds http://www.displaytigers.nl http://www.lastresort.nu

Author:	Dice [ 31 Mar 2004, 07:20 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> how many should I order? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> That would depend on how many you want, at $5 each + SH what can your wallet handle! HMFIC

Author:	TinyGiant [ 31 Mar 2004, 07:34 ]
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Ervani, It's called intellectual property in the States and it is protected. Of course, there are loopholes to every law.

Author:	Dice [ 31 Mar 2004, 07:39 ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Ervani, It's called <b>intellectual property</b> in the States and it is protected. Of course, there are loopholes to every law. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> Any law with a name like that must surely count me out! <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> HMFIC

Author:	30mike-mike [ 31 Mar 2004, 09:04 ]
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Geez, dice, these guys keep opening the door, so, who am I to let an opportunity slip through?<img src=newicons/bounce.gif border=0 align=middle> I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect, therefore, I am perfect.

Author:	TheLastRaven [ 31 Mar 2004, 09:57 ]
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This is nothing new for E-Bay. I search for "A-10" and got some nice framed A-10 for sale, but the funny thing is, they are all publically available. One of them is even property of the U.S Air Force (Spang Jet, 81-945, live load, Operation Allied Force.) Some people will do anything to turn a few quick bucks... <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> All that can be done is post complaints in his profile...then he'll just start a new one, I would imagine. --Raven "'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Author:	ervani [ 31 Mar 2004, 11:09 ]
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Quote: tiny giant> It's called intellectual property in the States and it is protected. Of course, there are loopholes to every law. End of quote..... we know the same law with the same name. I've worked as a prof photographer for years thats the reason why i have to know this law .... One of my pictures has travelled around the world without my permission (Tokyo, New York, Geneve, Berlin etc.... ) I was a young photographer at that time and they've payed me 150 Euro's.... far to low.... <img src="http://www.xs4all.nl/~ervani/ervani_sig.jpg" border=0> <br><br>Thou Mortal Grunt did you ever hear the sound of the GAU-Avenger? now you know how death sounds http://www.displaytigers.nl http://www.lastresort.nu

Author:	Yojimbo [ 31 Mar 2004, 12:29 ]
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how much to eliminate this seller snipe?! got my DVD today <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> haven't had a chance to watch it yet tho'

Author:	majormadmax [ 31 Mar 2004, 21:53 ]
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Raven Too true, there was someone selling the <i>A-10s Over Kosovo</i> book on CD, basically someone just downloaded it (like I did) burned it to disk and put it up for auction. Matter of fact, I just checked and he is still selling them... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4200765240&category=1113 Can we hammer this guy as well? Cheers! M2 Edited by - majormadmax on Mar 31 2004 8:54 PM

Author:	birchymm [ 01 Apr 2004, 08:41 ]
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So this guy is just ripping off coin designs?!? I cruise ebay quite a bit for car parts and came across this coin once and actually considered bidding on it. Where can you post comments about people on ebay? Just curious "....where's the kaboom?....there's supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom!!"

Author:	Dice [ 01 Apr 2004, 08:56 ]
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I got an email from the guy and he says he recived it (paied $5)from a guy in Korea. He gave me the guys email addy and I'm going to email him tonight with some questions. He did take the coin off ebay (says he only has one) so I think he has just got caught-up in the cross-fire. Korea... someone saw the design (you all know you can get coins cheep over there) and is truning a buck off our design! HMFIC

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