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PostPosted: 22 Jul 2007, 02:12 
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As the creator and webmaster of FB-111A.net, dedicated to the aircraft and the folks who served with the type in SAC, I came across an interesting discussion in regards to nose-arts applied on USAF aircraft. In my book, nose-art can include door-art such as the ones painted on ladder door on A-10s. I would like to know who owns copyright and such to the art painted on the aircraft and/or the door. The artist or the USAF, owner of the aircraft and if so, is it legal to reproduce such art on other items. If illegal to reproduce such thing, then any decal sheet with those markings are indeed illegal as well.

I thought of giving a shot here because some artist may be part of this forum. My next step will be to contact the AF!

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PostPosted: 22 Jul 2007, 08:13 
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Mephisto,

Wikipedia is my friend when it comes to copyright info....

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Wikipedia Public Domain Info

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Works created by an agency of the United States government are public domain at the moment of creation. Examples include military journalism, federal court opinions (but not necessarily state court opinions), congressional committee reports, and census data. However, works commissioned by the government but created by a contractor are still subject to copyright, and even in the case of public domain documents, availability of such documents may be limited by laws limiting the spread of classified information.


I believe it to be the same as photographs. Lets say a military member takes a photograph while at work on official duty. That image falls under the \"public domain\". However if he was off duty and took the picture then the copyright belongs to the individual who took the pictures.

As for the door/ladder door art, I would say the original artist owns the copyright. Mainly because the work would have been accomplished during an indiviuals off duty time, or as with some of the A-10's Door Art the doors where removed and taken downtown so the artist could paint it.

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PostPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 02:04 
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I dont know the \"legal\" wranglings, but I know that there are famoud works of nose at that you have to pay for to get copies, especially the WWII stuff. I dont know if they wre bought later on by a business guy that wanted to copyroght it, or if they were copyrighted by the original painters. But I think that to have been copyrighted by the original artist is a strecth because a lot of them were (just as the A-10's are in a lot of cases) painted in the field on the spur of the moment.

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PostPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 04:21 
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Hawg166,

Just by creating the art work the artist owns the copyright (well as long as he didn't copy if from somewhere else). Now if I take a picture of the aircraft which includes the art work, I own the copyright to the photograph but not the original artwork.

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In the United States, copyright has been made automatic (in the style of the Berne Convention) since March 1, 1989, which has had the effect of making it appear to be more like a property right. Thus, as with some forms of personal property, a copyright need not be granted or obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape or a letter), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.

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PostPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 15:32 
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I agree LH,

The reason being look at the painted Lady books. And the one of \"Desert Storm\" art my door is in their I helped pay for that door and theirs a picture of it in the book.
Now know one asked me for permission to print it.
(I still say that IS my photo ,but Oh well) so If you take a picture of the door art on a Jet, no matter what and the \"Key word here is YOU\" its yours to copy right etc...... Because if you went to an Air Show What are you going to do? Have forms there so people can or can't take a picture of your jet?No

Because if you get right to it, the Aircraft belongs to the USAF which is part of the DOD, which is part of the US Government which partly belong to you and me and every American

Your Photograph you took is the only thing you \" Can Copy Right\" the image on the Jet is not.

Thats just my thoughts.

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PostPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 16:58 
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Interesting question to be sure. I agree that if I take a picture of a nose/door art I own the copyright to that image but, who owns the copyrights to the orignial...I'm not sure. Like Goose said if it placed on an USAF aircraft and painted on AF time I would think it would belong to the USAF. If that's true wouldn't it fall into the same catigory as unit patches...are they copyrighted?

As most of you know a lot of A-10 door art is taken from copyrigthted materal to began with.


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Doing a little research on this subjet and it looks as though one of our own military members has indeed copyrighted the artwork he place on an F-16's. I'm sure most of you have seen his work on some of the Shaw aircraft.

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I appreciate all the concern over the graphic reproductions of the nose art I did during the Gulf War. I had hoped that the agency I first contacted about duplicating my nose art in various sized scale decal sheets would have produced something by now. Unfortunately, they have not. The reason I chose to protect my work was so it would be reproduced as it originally appeared on the aircraft, not from faded or worn photos or images, as is the case with ISRADECALS. Their \"Desert Shield/Storm\" decal looks okay, but they're prints of \"Code One Candy\", \"Hammer Time\", and \"Max Thrust\" look terrible. The company I knew would do the job properly has been very busy doing other requested decal reproductions. I have been waiting patiently for them to finish, though, as I know their work will be \"spot on\" accurate . . . right down to the hoist attachment markings. As for other companies wishing to reproduce my artwork for decal sheets, I don't mind if they do . . . but I have to insist that the images meet my approval first. The other aircraft markings must be as accurate as possible (as scale sizing reasonably permits), and must be as they appeared on the actual aircraft at that time. I don't require financial compensation of any kind, but would appreciate a single copy of any decal sheet series produced depicting my artwork so I may have them for my personal portfolio. Again, I want to thank you all for your concern and integrity. It's refreshing to meet others who care about historical accuracy and quality, and aren't just \"out to make a buck\".
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PostPosted: 27 Jul 2007, 14:09 
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Boy did he do Great Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,

I got to see it up close and in person while Hot pitting those jets at KKMC and KFIA .
He deserves it.

But he's not asking for \"$$$$$\" compensation I think thats the \"KEY\" here.

Dice , I dont think unit patches are Copyrighted , reason being patches are Duplicated all the time on merchandise plus I would think then they would have to put the \"Copy right\" logo on them.


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