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M&M, I REFUSE to click that link cause I just know it's one of those HORRIFIC JSF shots in vert mode!! By any measure the 2nd ugliest plane ever when it's in vert mode( the ugliest is any pic of the 2 seat trainer for YAK-38 Forger <spew!!> ) LOL <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Edited by - boomer on Mar 21 2003 11:36 PM

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Well it HAS thrust vectoring.....LOL.....would be stol/vstol without it.

"face it....perhaps your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others!"

Nah Booms, JSF looks super cool in VTOL mode.

Well, i think so at least...

"We shall leave no man behind"

Snipe man you gotta stay away from the "bathtub hooch" LOL


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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

and on an entirely unrelated note, here is a small webpage that lists just about every NATO reporting name for Warsaw pact/Chinese aircraft, including those from Boeing and Consolidated!!(but not anything much newer than Flanker)
Save it to disc ,it's only 30K !!

http://www.worldairforces.com/Misc/natoascc.html

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Edited by - boomer on Mar 21 2003 11:49 PM

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Nah Booms, JSF looks super cool in VTOL mode.

Well, i think so at least...

"We shall leave no man behind"
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Me to sniper...I just love all the doors that pop open (which will be a maintenance nightmare...just imagine all the doors you'll have to rig...or if one doesn't open up correctly...) But she does look cool...Boeings version, that was an ugly aircraft

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Looking at the pictures, I'm with Boomer...

It's like one of those transformer toys, you know something that can change from a toy plane to a toy truck.

Only this changes from a cool looking plane to a damn ugly multi million $$$ advent calendar <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> with a bad case of brewers droop <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>...



"A .44 magnum beats 4 Aces everytime..."

I saw the Boeing jet back when it was just a tiny chunk of metal in a wind tunnel and fell in love with that "shark jaw", the later incarnations just got uglier and uglier.

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They most certainly did.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"

I'm sorry...this just looks so cool to me...everything opened up...
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This is just UGLY!!
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I'm with you Paul.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"

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I'm with you Paul.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"
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thank you sir <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Woh,

That Boeing thing is rough. I saw a programme about the battle between Boeing and LM for the contract a few weeks ago and I could have sworn it didn't look that bad…

It's got a serious case of 'slack jawed yokel' about it don't you think?

OK, from the front the JSF looks not to bad, but I still say from the rear, it looks like its old man ain't ever going to stand to attention…

Who remember the Simpson's episode were Side Show Bob steals an A-Bomb from the air show.

I still wet myself with laughter when I watch it and the air show commentator says…

"And here's the pride of the American Air Force…The British made Harrier"

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"A .44 magnum beats 4 Aces everytime..."

Sorry, I think they BOTH have a seriously bad case of the uglies.

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more pics...
<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f35a.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f35b.jpg" border=0>

and side by side
<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f35_32.jpg" border=0>

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Yup, they're both extremely ugly. The one on the left (bottom pic) is uglier though.

"Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI

44, my favorite parts of that episode are when Willy the janitor is ID'd as a MiG and when the pilots have the philosophicle talk about guns vs butter (or whatever) just before thier faulty parachutes burst into flames ROFLMAO!!!

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

the x-33 just looks to much like some crazy guy with a hysterical grin

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The F-35 wont have to worry about IR signature with the BAE Systems TADIRCM advancement of only protruding 3.5 inches into the slip stream and thereby not compromising stealth.

The engine is actually nearing 40,000 lbs of thrust and should be increasable to compensate for the overwieght. The JSF STOVL version will be able to take off with tanks that are not topped off to reduce wieght...but I agree overall....Lockheed was a bit less than forthcoming.

And finally...I dont know what the hell Boeing was thinking when they entered that monstrosity into the competition. I think the designer must have matserbated to pictures of the A7 or something. I first saw that bird and knew there was no way in hell and pilot wanted to pimp that creature at an airshow. I mean seriously.....someone at Phantom Works actually looked at that plane and thought its configuration was a good idea..........?

I agree NGES, how could they not take one look at that turd and say, "Damn, we screwed that up....back to the drawing boards"

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"

The McD version WAS a gas driven fan similar to the Lockheed design without the shaft, it was configured as I recall much like the original lockmart with canards and all the surfaces (wings vert stabs and canards) were pointy. Upon realising this wasn't going to work, they shifted to a thrust plus lift config, with I think 2 verticle engines mounted behind the cockpit ala YAK-38. One selling point they tried was that the plane could RTB with just the lift engines going if the main engine had been damaged, this was the one with the butterfly tail and no canards much like the YF-23, they also developed an engine exhaust nacelle with tiny sawtooth edges all around the end rim of the VG nozzle for stealth, this has been talked about as a possibility for the F-35.

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Edited by - boomer on Jun 27 2003 6:27 PM

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Does anybody know how many billions were actually spent on the A-12 before they called it quits?

"Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI

apparently the flap system didnt work well enough since they had to go to a conventional wing tail layout to lower the approach speed more to make the Navy happy.

Nothing would have saved the A-12 since the Pentagon never stopped changing the requirements.

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Edited by - boomer on Jun 30 2003 06:59 AM

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

So the Pentagon was at fault for the Flying Dorito getting cancelled, not the Navy?

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Plenty of blame to go around, but I think if you keep moving the bullseye you'll never hit the target.

I remember somebody talking about a torpedo bomber contract back in like the late 30s. One company re-rigged an old bi-plane to carry a torpedo(Fairy aircraft maybee?)the other company came up with a superslick monoplane with an enclosed torpedo bay, very fast, long range etc. At the last minit the Gov made the torpedo 6 inches longer and gave them no time to rework anything, so the slick plane was out and the biplane was purchased, same old same old.

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