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Author:  troung [ 15 May 2003, 15:26 ]
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PLAAF

Air Superiority Fighters
60 Su-30MKK
140 Su-27SK/UBK

Multi Role Fighters
10 J-10

Air Defense Fighters
400 J-8B/C/H
800 J-7A/C/D/E/G (MiG-21F)

Bombers
120 H-6A/E/H (Tu-16)
80 H-5 (Il-28)

Close Air Support
560 A-5A/C/D/E (MiG-19 based)

Naval Strike Fighters
28 Su-30MK2

Naval Air Defense
40 J-8D
100 J-7E

Naval Bombers
12 H-6D

Naval Strike
18 JH-7
100 A-5

Tanker
4 Il-78
12 H-6 tanker

ELINT
2 Tu-154MD
12 HD-5 (Il-28)

Maritime Patrol
10 Y-8
6 SH-5

Transports
14 Il-76
50 Y-8 (An-12)
22 Y-7 (An-24)
12 Y-14 (An-26)
300 Y-5 (An-2)

Helicopters
150 Mi-17
12 Mi-8
24 S-70C
40 Z-9 (Panther)
3 Mi-6

Liaison Helicopters
40 Alouette III

Naval Helicopters
10 Ka-28
23 Z-8 (Super Frelon)
20 Z-9 (Panther)

AAM
R-77 (AA-12)
R-27ER/ET (AA-10C/D)
R-27R/T (AA-10A/B)
PL-10
R-73(AA-11)
PL-9 (Python 3)
PL-8 (Python 3)
PL-5E
PL-5B/C

ASM
Kh-59ME
Kh-31A/P
Kh-29T
C-802
C-601


Plans
additonal Su-30MKK
more J-10 (~200-250)
more Su-27SK (~60-80)
2-4 A-50
Kh-59MK
more Il-76
more Il-78
SD-10



Edited by - troung on May 15 2003 2:33 PM
Author:  M21 Sniper [ 15 May 2003, 15:41 ]
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TARGET PRACTICE :)

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Author:  Stinger [ 15 May 2003, 16:23 ]
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TARGET PRACTICE :)

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Author:  troung [ 16 May 2003, 13:19 ]
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Yes it could be target pracitce. But I would rather fly a Su-30MKK then a F/A-18F.
Author:  boomer [ 16 May 2003, 18:31 ]
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Since the Super Hornet carries AMRAAM and AIM-9X, I'll ride that pony thanks.

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Author:  troung [ 16 May 2003, 22:09 ]
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Well the Su-30MKK carries the R-77 (AA-12) and R-73 (AA-11) so I think I'll pick it. I like that range, payload, and agilty. I do think the USA would kick Chinas ass, just not the F/A-18E/F.
Author:  boomer [ 17 May 2003, 02:14 ]
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agility wont do much against 9X, and AMRAAM out fights AMRAAMSKI, so unless it's down to ramming tactics, I'll still stick with Hornet, super or otherwise.

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Author:  chadrewsky [ 17 May 2003, 11:12 ]
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Its all about situational awareness.......Untill we lose that edge, its our fight to chose. The Chinese, and India seem to be departing somewhat from the old Soviet ground control radar doctrine, but the aircraft designs they are using were built with that concept in mind, and untill they depart from that completely, NATO, and Western air forces will have the drop. So when it comes down to it, the fight won't merge unless we allow it to. And when you factor such advantages as stealth, EW jamming, and AWACs, not to mention AEGIS and our extensive pilot training alone, the aircraft capability's itself are almost secondary, when the proper tatics are used.

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Edited by - chadrewsky on May 17 2003 10:15 AM
Author:  boomer [ 17 May 2003, 16:22 ]
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hey chad I dont know much about ship fitts, do USN surface ships have some sort of barrage or other forms of aircraft jamming systems or is that left to airborn assets? I know they have deployable decoys.

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Author:  troung [ 18 May 2003, 21:02 ]
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Well the PLAAF is lacking in power projection ability. The only planes which can try and project power are the Su-27SK, Su-30MKK, Su-30MKK-2 and possibly a handful of H-6D/I with the J-10 soon going to be part of that list. The rest of the planes are not ready for a fight in modern warfare with the J-7s and J-8s lakcing modern radars/BVR and having poor range. The rest of the H-6 bombers should not even be thought of as a threat seeing as they can only drop dumb bombs. The J-6s and H-5s are in a state of resevre and would be complety worthless.
Author:  bigross86 [ 21 May 2003, 03:56 ]
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Does anybody know how powerful the jammers are on fighters like the F-15/-16/-18? How far out from the target would the jamming work until radar burned through? Have there ever been plans of integrating special jammer birds, such as B-52's or EA-6's? Or maybe modified fighters carrying just jammers and one or two AMRAAMs for self-defense?

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Author:  boomer [ 21 May 2003, 15:03 ]
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ranges are ALL classified, probobly somewhat weather dependant and constantly changing with each software mod to the jammer. The B-52 HAS been proposed as a heavy jammer because of all the equipment it could carry, but it looks like they will go to an "all sevice" version of the F/A-18G Growler, like they have done with the EA-6B Prowler, sending them wherever they are needed wheather it's AF or Navy duty that week.

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