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New Pc and learning this new Xp.

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1ghz ddr 2700 333mhz memory
333 GHZ frontside Bus Board
2.8 GHZ AMD Xp
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Ir Mouse,
Same trusty Flat panel 19 inch CAD monitor
Worn out HOTAS

and about 9 pints of empty Guiness cans Kicken Around




"Your presence on WT is like an odor dude, you need to unleash.. -Brewski"

a10Stress, the problem with the Amraam 120, is that its legs are too short, By the time you reach WEZ 20-18nm. The Russian ordnace has already been launched between 40-30.

This is why the tactic is week. Russian Ordnance has always had longer legs. They have a heater they can release at 35 nm and Detect you from that Far. As to how much Heat Signature the F22 puts out, Is debateable.

You cant mutual support the shooter if he has already been engaged...

Mutual support is everything. Of course this is all a litoral essay. But the reality remains. "you never extend your flights, beyond mutual support" this is a golden rule.





"Your presence on WT is like an odor dude, you need to unleash.. -Brewski"

Mudd, the latest AMRAAM, the AIM-120C-5 is claimed to have extended range, so that should help shouldn't it?

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

A10 stress,

Thanks for the clarification. I was, as I said, referring to the F-22 and its powerful APG-77 (thanks M21) radar that has a range of well over 100NM... if you are flying high cover in a trail and your flight lead needs you to paint a target that is 80NM away and there is no AWACS availabe because you are over hostile SAM-friendly territory, what would you do? Naturally, we can all agree that the AIM-54 is superior to the AIM-120, but I'd put my green-backs on the F-22s capabilities any day of the week and twice on sunday.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Weve already established what an ignorant little troll you are.

Your Source is pittifully wrong and I hope hes not a real Flight lead. because he just roasted his wingman. AWACs has a larger picture and resolution than any fighter we have fielded. their would be no need for eather of them to hunt Actively.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

You can call me an ignorant troll all you want, the reality of the situation still stands. AMRAAM or no AMRAAM your flight lead will still need to know whats infront of him. He didn't just roast his wingman, the flight lead has his radar off and, as you know, the F-22 is a stealth aircraft... the only thing roasting here would be the Mig-29 pilot's testicles. I heard this from an F-15C pilot from Tyndall... hes been flying F-15s for 10 years. Yeah, sure I'm the new guy... and relatively inexperienced compared to 90% of the people in this forum... but that F-15 pilot isn't, and hes been a flight lead for over 6 years. cheers.

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 22 2003 11:28 AM

A10 stress,

Thanks for the clarification. I was, as I said, referring to the F-22 and its powerful APG-77 (thanks M21) radar that has a range of well over 100NM... if you are flying high cover in a trail and your flight lead needs you to paint a target that is 80NM away and there is no AWACS availabe because you are over hostile SAM-friendly territory, what would you do? Naturally, we can all agree that the AIM-54 is superior to the AIM-120, but I'd put my green-backs on the F-22s capabilities any day of the week and twice on sunday.


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Weve already established what an ignorant little troll you are.

Your Source is pittifully wrong and I hope hes not a real Flight lead. because he just roasted his wingman. AWACs has a larger picture and resolution than any fighter we have fielded. their would be no need for eather of them to hunt Actively.


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You can call me an ignorant troll all you want, the reality of the situation still stands. AMRAAM or no AMRAAM your flight lead will still need to know whats infront of him. He didn't just roast his wingman, the flight lead has his radar off and, as you know, the F-22 is a stealth aircraft... the only thing roasting here would be the Mig-29 pilot's testicles. I heard this from an F-15C pilot from Tyndall... hes been flying F-15s for 10 years. Yeah, sure I'm the new guy... and relatively inexperienced compared to 90% of the people in this forum... but that F-15 pilot isn't, and hes been a flight lead for over 6 years. cheers.

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 22 2003 11:52 PM

Buzz, take it easy, it was just more hazing.

You make forceful statements, whether or not they are right or wrong they are going to elicit a strong reaction.

Just keep that in mind.

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

M21,

Noted, I just don't like unfounded challenges... I can't be the new guy forever .... enough hazing already <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance". -Thomas Jefferson

Oh c'mon, you havn't even been here for a month yet

Ask Tritonal about the hazing he got, lol.

And BELIEVE ME, compared to what we do to real trolls here you have been handled with kid gloves.

Most of it is good natured ribbing, just take it as such.



Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This is why the tactic is week. Russian Ordnance has always had longer legs. They have a heater they can release at 35 nm and Detect you from that Far. As to how much Heat Signature the F22 puts out, Is debateable. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

How is that possible? Can the heat signal from a regular fighter be detected from 35 nm away, AND be identified as a Foe and not a Friend? That isn't making too much sense to me, sorry.

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. -General George Patton

bigross,

yeah, I agree... a heat signature would be pretty hard to detect from 35NM... and a headshot even more difficult. And its not like they are going to be using radar-guided weapons to any great effect... the -22 has all the bases covered.

M21,

I know its ribbing, just gets old after a while.

"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance". -Thomas Jefferson

Dont let Mudd get under your skin, it has been medically proven that he is The missing link between ape and man.

It's his way of saying "Dont Quote me." on anonymous websites. once you get burned...u will never seek his knowledge.


"Bow Chika Bow Bow

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\"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. \"

George S. Patton

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Ask Tritonal about the hazing he got, lol. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Don't ask because,
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I don't remember anything that would be construde as hazing toward me to the calibre that Buzz is getting.






Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 23 2003 2:34 PM

You must have a short memory then.

We dug into you pretty good a few times in the Tritonal and tank plinking thread.

Then again, maybe it's my memory that's goin....

Buzz, you'll get over it

IRST can definitely see 35 nautical miles at altitude. A 600kt fighter is a big IR emmiter and reflector.

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

heres a quiz. 2 fighters nose on 35nm hot. 800kt Closure, How much time you got before 120 WEZ? hint 18-20 nm. Answer: ?

will you be Notched Buzz? Defensive or Defensive while maintaing slant lock with TGT?

quiz number 2 if this engagement is AGL 25k what is the ambient temperature your little roman candle is burning through?

Perfect Question for a Low Speed High Drag 70 Tack HR Cessna CAP drone




"Bow Chika Bow Bow

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\"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. \"

George S. Patton

I didn't see that as "diggin' in", I saw it as a good debate(one of the best threads we've had). It didn't have a hazing like feeling but I did get some educated and schooled responses.

BTW, saw a show on Repo men on Disc. ... was pretty interesting



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 23 2003 7:55 PM

I saw that show too.

What a lot of amatuers.

I almost had a heart attack when the one repo guy let the 'owner' drive away in the pickup truck. They'd have to shoot me to do that to me.

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

That brings up a good question:Are you talking about the man with the piece that drove away or was that the one on TLC? How would you seriously handle that situation in which the guy was in?

Me, well, I'm not a repo man, but I would definitely have a sidearm myself and I would have a second man with me just in case.



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 23 2003 9:19 PM

BigThug,

It'll only take about a minute 15 or something close to that for the enemy fighter to be in the 120 WEZ. As far as air temp at 25K, assuming standard temperature and pressure... it would be around -27.5 degrees farenheit. Hope those answers were right. Nice quiz though, we should get more of those going. cheers.

"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance". -Thomas Jefferson

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 24 2003 09:56 AM

I think it was the one on TLC...

Honestly, the last time someone tried to drive away in their car after i informed them it was reposessed, i went with them.

On the hood.

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

I got a very exciting ride- and she went to jail.

There is no escaping the repo man

Well, not this one anyway.

I don't think i saw the one on Discovery now that you mention it.
It was the one on TLC that i saw.

"Beyond Tough", hosted by ICE T, and that Italian guy from the Sopranos.

Those guys were idiots. Me and partner couldn't believe our eyes watching the 'competition'.

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

LOL,
I meant the one on TLC, I only saw a fraction of the Discovery one since it was rehashed. I gotta admit that it was funny to see "Big Pussy" try to subdue that irate guy.
What's the most anyone has done being beligerent during your repo? I would be peeved: "I'm not taking your car, the bank is ya' big dummy."
You avoid such entanglements and probably do it with maximum stealth; an excellent job for an ex-sniper.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

That repoing looks pretty intense. If I had the skills, I'd pursue it.
Are you self employed, or do you work for the lenders? I'd rather be self-employed.

I'm self employed, and i'm local.

If you ever want to go out with us one night, just email me.

I'd be happy to take you out and show you the mean streets of Philly.

90% of the time the repossessee is totally cooperative.

5% of the time they get mouthy, but are still cooperative.

4% of the time they get mouthy and threatening, but end up surrendering the car after a little convincing.

It's the 1% that justifies what i charge per car. Cause you never know when you'll run into(literally) one of those.

Ironicly, most of the time those(1%) people live in the suburs and are women.

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

LOL-that is cool!
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Ironicly, most of the time those(1%) people live in the suburs and are women.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Well, Hell hath no fury like...Oh nevermind, I think you know

And may I "layeth the smacketh down" on those unruly 4%?<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Well, Hell hath no fury like...Oh nevermind, I think you know"

Man, do i ever.

"And may I "layeth the smacketh down" on those unruly 4%?"

When in Philly, do as the repossessors do.



Long distance- The next best thing to being there.