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Hey gang,

I saved the picture down to my drive and rotated it 180 degrees. it looks like the person that took the picture was laying down possibly. It clearly shows him popping flares. On the news network they showed an A-10 over the area and it was jinking around popping flares.

When you look closer you can tell that he popped the flare. At the start of the smoke trail it appears to have a blossom effect, and the flare is traveling in the same direction as the plane. I feel that it is a real picture, but they posted it on MSNBC upside down to give the readers the aspect that the plane is being attacked.

You can get the picture and the caption on MSNBC at
http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/148/836/ssMain.asp

The caption reads:
Evasive maneuver
A U.S. A-10 "Warthog" drops a flare and turns upside down Tuesday to avoid Iraqi anti-aircraft fire after dropping bombs on Baghdad. An A-10 was shot down Tuesday near Baghdad's international airport. The pilot ejected and was recovered by coalition forces.

If he popped the flare while upside down then the smoke trail would be in a curved path, and not straight as it appears.

I’m only stating what I see. Maybe a stick actuator (just a joke) can shed some light on this.


pctech/xA10A crew Chief 9204.

If there is a question about which jet was downed and which had an engine shot off (figuratively speaking), we know which ones they were, but I haven't seen it publicized yet, if someone else has, let me know, so I can fill in all those who wish to know.

"....where's the kaboom?....there's supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom!!"

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If there is a question about which jet was downed and which had an engine shot off (figuratively speaking), we know which ones they were, but I haven't seen it publicized yet,
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I believe af.mil and or centcom's website have pics... also airforcetimes.com has an interview with the pilot (listed as "KC")from "FT" (Pope?) who brought her hog in using man. rev. Pics of the A-10 with #2 engine chewed up are "in the wild" as well as official websites. The remain's of Battle Creek's (Michigan ANG) stencil can be seen.

I love Battle Creek's nick-name... "The Cereal Killers"...

Mark

Yup, that one was neat....we got a photo of the missing cowl with nothing but Creek left on it, I see that ones on the web. Tail number doesn't really matter. The downed AC has not been identified in public yet though, only that it was a Battle Creek pilot? We know who's jet it was, just not tail number, not that thats a big deal either.

Yeah everything we do here has to be aligned with cereal somehow. It gets a little tiresome after a while, though I do approve of the Cereal Killers, just wish they would stop trying to put Sugar Bear on our MXS patches!!

"....where's the kaboom?....there's supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom!!"

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If he popped the flare while upside down then the smoke trail would be in a curved path, and not straight as it appears.

I’m only stating what I see. Maybe a stick actuator (just a joke) can shed some light on this.
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What I really want to know is if the right engine is turning or not!



ATTACK!

I THINK THE PHOTO TAKER WAS STANDING ON HIS HEAD,AND THE HOG WAS LEVEL IN FLIGHT.
HAD #2 AT 94.5% CORE AND #1 AT 92.5% IN BAD NEED OF A WATER WASH,ALSO A COUPLE OF GRASSHOPPERS AND WINDSCREEN.

OH NOOOOOOOOO!!
I CAUGHT THE HI-JACKING BUG FROM THUG!!!!!

PRESS TO TEST

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

The pilot that ejected and the aircraft he ejected from are not from the same base.

Coach

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Edited by - Yojimbo on Apr 11 2003 02:36 AM

The pic's legit. He was firing a flare while inverted; it's so close to the aircraft it hasn't really started curving down yet.

Clarification: If you look at the flaps closely you'll note a bit of light shining off them. This woundn't be happening unless there was a light source shining on it. Two lights sources in that image; the sky and the flare. Flare's in the wrong position to reflect the flaps they way they're showing up and unless you've got some whack physics going on you don't get highlights on the bottom of an aircraft and shadows on top.

If you're trying to evade a missile you want to turn faster than it can. Generally speaking you'll turn faster when gravity is helping you.

For clarification,

That is a -184 Long Pod hanging on that aircraft. There are four squadrons over here in Jaber. Three of them are guard. All of the guard aircraft have long pods on them, with the -131 as a backup for a very specific reason. I'm not sure where the PACAF thing came from, but we (Battle Creek) have been using the long pod for a while now and we're not planning on switching any time soon.

The pilot that ejected was from our squadron, but the plane was from Boise. And the plane that was shot up (cowl missing) was obviously from Battle Creek. And no, the engine was not running after that direct hit, but, of course, we got the pilot and aircraft back safely.

On a side note, how has everyone been? Haven't been here in a coupla months due to limited net access over here. For some reason, it's working today. Looks like the population has grown quite a bit. I've been reading these boards for a coupla years and have never seen this many new people show up! Must be the result of a war.

Hope everything's going alright back home!

Hi TG,

I am building a model right now, and wanted to depict some real battle damage, can you help me out with the tail number of the hog with the charred engine?

thanks

"Do, or do not. There is no try."

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The pilot that ejected was from our squadron, but the plane was from Boise. And the plane that was shot up (cowl missing) was obviously from Battle Creek. And no, the engine was not running after that direct hit, but, of course, we got the pilot and aircraft back safely.
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I've been glad to hear that everyone who has taken damage has made it back, even if your boy had to get out of the jet. Looks like the mighty Hog has proven itself time and again over there, holding together after taking a beating. Even in the case of the guy from your squadron, at least he was able to get away from the bad guys before having to get out.

Also glad to hear you're okay. Next time you stop by the MPC, tell Knuckles (Fembot) and Bambi (Prich) that Pyle says hello.

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On a side note, how has everyone been? Haven't been here in a coupla months due to limited net access over here. For some reason, it's working today. Looks like the population has grown quite a bit. I've been reading these boards for a coupla years and have never seen this many new people show up! Must be the result of a war.
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Only thing you missed were some idiots trying to stir the $#!t up regarding the A-10 blue on blue. I attempted to communicate to them the reasons fratricide happens, and that obviously we are all professionals just trying to make the best of a crappy situation. They rolled in on me, so I had to suppress them.

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Hope everything's going alright back home!
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Yep...just kicking myself that I'm still doing MQT instead of launching Mavericks and shooting the gun over there! Weather on the east coast has been crap most of the time you guys have been over there, so it's been tough to finish up MQT. I'll be done just in time to rotate in after you guys kill all the good targets and rotate home. Timing is everything!

Thanks for letting us know you're doing well. Thanks for doing a great job, keep up the good work -- you're making the A-10 look fantastic! I've had more comments in the past three weeks about the A-10 patch on my bag when I run off the base for errands than I have in the previous 6 months.

We were just discussing at the squadron (it was drill weekend) how this could be a double-edged sword for the Hog...how maybe this would show the pointy-nosed generals and the politicians why they need to dump money into the jet. OR, they could say, "You guys did such a great job, you don't need any additional funds for the jet." DOH!

Just in case 'they' want to know, my wish list is as follows:

1. New motors, preferably CF34-8C1s (14,000# thrust)

2. Avionics upgrade, including data link, color MFDs, digital armament control panel that talks to LASTE, 'clean' electrical power for digital busses to all hardpoints.

3. Litening pods all around!

4. An external fuel tank that I can lug into battle and not worrying about blowing me up if it takes some hits.

5. Wings without cracks.

6. WFOV HUD with only one piece of glass, without annoying metal erector set framing; G-meter and whiskey compass relocated (or just toss 'em, who cares) so I don't have to do the 'Stevie Wonder' scanning technique anymore.

7. 1/4 keg with pilot's choice of 'artificial courage' beverage installed into turtle deck with drink hose running up to O2 mask.

Anyone want to add anything else to the list?



ATTACK!

Well, a new joint USAF, USA, USMC Ground vehicle to Air IFF system would be a good idea.

Seems to me that would really cut down on the Fratricides.

"US Army Snipers- One shot, one kill"

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Well, a new joint USAF, USA, USMC Ground vehicle to Air IFF system would be a good idea.

Seems to me that would really cut down on the Fratricides.
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Funny you should mention that. Reference #2 on my wish list. SADL (Situational Awareness Data Link) would integrate with the ground based EPLRS that is already in use. It may have helped prevent a lot of the blue on blue over the past few weeks. The technology is there, all it costs is money. So start writing your congressman, people!



ATTACK!

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Edited by - Yojimbo on Apr 11 2003 02:36 AM
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"This is the Soveriegn people of Iraqs "Baghdad Ghetto Bird" much like the LAPD Helicopters, but these just grease gangsters. It has now effectively gone side by side our other state Bird....


The Duck!
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Yeah tell ya what lets reprogram betty in the Dart Instead of Pull Up teach her to say " Pull out! " Would of saved me allot of trouble for being passed out during my marriage, that Cool sea level 02 at Misawa sure didnt wake me up like 100% of anti-hangover gas in the Weasel!

ANother Betty reprogram.. Instead of her saying "Fuel" how about "Where the Fuck is chevron" or my all time favorite "E does not mean ENOUGH" and why do we set Bingo's lets recall them.. Game Over..lol"

"Iraqi Dissinformation Minister"

It wasn't a BC jet shot down, just a pilot flying it.

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Hi TG,

I am building a model right now, and wanted to depict some real battle damage, can you help me out with the tail number of the hog with the charred engine?

thanks

"Do, or do not. There is no try."
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I think the tail number was Battle Creek 258. I'm not sure of the year, but I bet Dice could finish off the complete tail number for you! And Dice, I just got your e-mail, thanks for the support! I'm sure the guys over here will love whatever the stuff is.

..ed..

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I think the tail number was Battle Creek 258. I'm not sure of the year, but I bet Dice could finish off the complete tail number for you! And Dice, I just got your e-mail, thanks for the support! I'm sure the guys over here will love whatever the stuff is.

..ed..


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It was 80-0258, there are some pictures of her on the Hogpen forum at...

http://forum.biohazcentral.com/viewtopic.php?t=1694

Roger TG, two boxes when out priority mail today and you should get them in a week or so...glad to be able to help! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ugly but well hung!
http://www.warthogpen.com

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It was 80-0258, there are some pictures of her on the Hogpen forum at...

http://forum.biohazcentral.com/viewtopic.php?t=1694

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Dice,

Just for accuracy's sake. On the Biohaz forums, 258 was not the wingman of the pilot that got shot down. He was the flight lead of a second flight. I was in the third flight in that area at the time. The wingy of the lost jet suffered no BD at all, neither did the wingy of 258. And so far as I know, they haven't hung a new engine on it yet as it's still a big piece of FOD at the FOL. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
..ed..

Just put it here cuz I'm not a member of BioHaz yet. Also, I like the look of your new site.


Edited by - tinygiant on Apr 18 2003 11:34 AM

Thanks I'll post this info!

Ugly but well hung!
http://www.warthogpen.com