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LONDON (AFP) - The French have been voted the world's most unfriendly nation by a landslide in a new British poll published. They were also voted the most boring and most ungenerous.

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A decisive 46 percent of the 6,000 people surveyed by travellers' website Where Are You Now (WAYN) said the French were the most unfriendly nation people on the planet, British newspapers reported.

The Germans have no to reason to celebrate the damning verdict. They came second on all three counts.

WAYN's French founder, Jerome Touze, told the papers he had been stunned by the thumping condemnation of his compatriots and sought to blame it on Gallic love-struck sulking.

"I had no idea that the French would emerge as such an unfriendly country," he said.

"I think our romantic 'moodiness' is misunderstood and I will be sure to pass on the message to my family and friends back in France to be a bit more cheerful to tourists in the future."

Italy was voted the world's most cultured nation with the best cuisine, while the United States was named the most unstylish with the worst food.

The British did not feature in the top 10 of any of the categories.

"The British fit in nowhere -- good or bad. It appears that we are so completely average that the voters did not include us in any category," the tabloid Daily Express commented.

"And to our shame, four percent of respondents -- all British of course -- said they would only talk to other Britons when they are abroad."

This unwillingness to talk to the locals appears to go hand in hand with respondents' perceptions of foreigners.

While most said Spain was the foreign country where they would most like to live, they said the Spaniards were nearly as unfriendly and ungenerous as the French.

To add insult to injury, British newspaper The Daily Telegraph put the boot in on Saturday by saying in an editorial that the French stank.

"The French may like to think that Chanel No 5 is their scent but we all know that garlic and stale Gitanes are much more representative


Fender

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The Germans have no to reason to celebrate the damning verdict. They came second on all three counts.


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whot? We didnt win???

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We have the Worst Food? NO-WAY, come-on we have buffets that have food from every country on them, plus we have Fried Chicken, BBQ, STEAK ,REAL STEAK like in Angus CATTLE which I just got a Quarter of one from our friends down the road.
Talk about "THEM GOOD EATS"steak, ribs,hamburger,roast,Ribeyes,Rib roast I'll be having "Beef for supper for awhile"
At 2.15lb after figuring on splitting the Steer 4 ways,than Processing we ended-up with 146/bs about of Beef.

Plus we have ICE CUBES HERE!

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Well, I will cede the point that the US really doesnty have any "cultural food" of our own (except maybe steakhouses), but we do have the cultural food from every other country in the world right here in our own. If I want Chinese food in Italy, tough. If I want Pizza in Germany, good luck. You can have it all in the US. I also think the US has the best looking women, but Italy has a whole lot of babes too. I was like one of those bobble-head dolls walking around the other day.


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Just what the hell do you think BBQ is?

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Chop Suey? Hotdog? Bisuits and Gravy? The list goes on, we have Our Own Foods but Hey I discriminate against food from other countries.
Fried Chicken is ours too.
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Edited by - sgtgoose1 on May 28 2006 07:25

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I will tell you another food you wont find in another country, grits. God I love grits.

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I never had grits before i was in the military. Now i love em...though finding them in philly....fuhgeddaboudit.

LOL.

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Grits with eggs over easy and mix them all up with Cheese!!!!!

Boy them some good eats!

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OK, I stand corrected.

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*I prefer them in that order.
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Just what the hell do you think BBQ is?

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I thought the Aussies invented the barbie?

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I thought the Aussies invented the barbie?

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I never said anything about the barbie, I said BBQ. Not the same thing here in the good ole USA. The barbie, God I hate that word, is the instrument you use to cook outdoors on. BBQ, wether pork or beef, is the meat prepared a thousand different ways, with a million different secret sauces, served all over this country.

By the way most self respecting Americans don't call it a barbie, they call it a grill.

Fender

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

Sorry Dudes, but the Arab's invented the BBQ.

Except the pork bit <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>. They mostly use lamb then beef

Lebanese food is mostly BBQ and very tasty...

Meat with either dried or wet sauces barbequed over coals was a staple food in the region before the USA existed.



You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...

I have to be in France by tomorrow. <img src=newicons/Whatever_anim.gif border=0 align=middle>

Any suggestions what I should take with me ? Shotgun ? Real food ? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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How about a return air ticket...

I came home via CDG this morning.

I don't know if you're flying civilian or not, but if you are, check every security guards pass before you give them your documents. It really gets on their nerves.

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Sorry Dudes, but the Arab's invented the BBQ.

Except the pork bit . They mostly use lamb then beef

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Like I said before, BBQ the grill is not the same as BBQ the food. I never said we invented the BBQ grill however, you would be hard pressed to find a country that has taken it to the level we have. I would like to know where you found out the Arabs invented the grill?

Unless you have lived here and experienced Southern BBQ you really have no concept of what I am talking about. It would be like me saying there is a chippy down the street and it is the same as the one in your neighborhood.

BTW I was statiioned in England in the early 80's when very few blokes knew what a outdoor grill was. It was a new phenomenon to the English.

Fender

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

Your definition of BBQ seems to refer to the way the meat is seasoned and then cooked, not the actual thing that does the cooking. This I agree with.

So what is the difference between a piece of beef marinaded in spices, tomatoes, peppers and then grilled over hot coals or embers in the States to a piece of beef marinaded in spices, tomatoes, peppers and then grilled over hot coals or embers in the middle east?

BBQ to use your definition is the style off cooking and meat has been cooked in that style in that part of the world for hundreds of years.

I've been there, I've eaten in local places that serve that style of food.

You can't copyright a generic seasoning method which you yourself said has thousands of different combinations. KFC can becuase they have one recipe. The BBQ doesn't so any food cooked in that style is BBQ style.

So sorry, but they beat you to it...

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...

BTW, I never said they invented the phyical grill. I was using the work grill to describe the cooking process i.e. to char the outside of the meat and seal in the flavour.

You can grill over anything that generates raditated heat rather than cooking in the flame.

To say "nobody has taken it to the extent we have" may be correct, but that does not mean you invented it.

Henry Ford invented the production line manufacturing technique. The Japs and Korean have refined it to a greater extent that you have. But you would be pissed if I said they invented it...

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...

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This statement right here proves my point. I like you .44 yet you have no concept of what I am talking about. Maybe Goose or Dice could explain it better. We have people that live withing 50 miles of each other that don't agree with how BBQ should be cooked. There is a a "world" of difference in how and what they cook and what I call BBQ.

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BTW I have spent time in the Arab world and found nothing close to what I call BBQ. Yes I ate roasted meat from there yet it was not BBQ. Let's just say you and I have a cultural difference that we cannot overcome on this issue. To you BBQ seems to be the style which something is cooked only, for me it is more than that. It is the food it's self.


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I never said we did, read my post closely.

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Again your lack of knowledge of what is called BBQ in my part of the world. We smoke our Q.

Fender

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

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LOL...

I think you forgot to finish typing what you were thinking, "I like you .44 yet you're being a dickhead" <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>.

I think we'll leave it at the fact that you guys have taken the whole essence of BBQ to your hearts as a nation and developed it into something uniquely American.

To use an analogy I'd prefer better than your Chippy one. The Brits do Roast Beef as their national dish (note: a recent survey showed the national favourite dish is actually Chicken Tikka, so go figure).

The french <img src=newicons/spit.gif border=0 align=middle> could also roast beef in an oven but would f*** it up by smearing it in garlic or something and it would never be 'Roast Beef', just roasted beef.

So I guess what a nation does to a dish and thinks about it makes it theirs, not just the ingredients or the cooking mechanics.

Are we friends again <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>..?

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LOL, great discussion !

Thanks for explaining all about the roots of BBQ'ing.

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Never stopped being friends. We just had a difference of opinion.

BTW my brother-in-law, a college educated Chef, and my sister-in-law are arriving from England on Monday. They reside is Felixstowe, on the Suffolk coast.

We are headed to Myrtle Beach on Thursday and some deep sea fishing on Saturday. Lots of beer and Crown Royal will be consumed, you can count on it.

Fender

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

I'll stop this debate and put a line down the middle

Arabs do what you call "BBQ" their type

Americans do it over "Kingsford" and those birquets and they were invented by "Herny Ford"
Even though their basically the samething but that is a "AMERICAN"
invention and thats what 90% of Americans use unless their in some
place like the West Coast were you can only use Propane or gas grills.
Plus our coal is totally differant from coal found in the Mideast or Europe.
Just as it is by region.

BUT TRUE BBQ is vingear based,not TOMATO BASED.
Baked Beans is another American FOOD So is CORN or We call it
"Maze" which is from the America's .
Turkey is, So is FRIED CATFISH.

So to me "SCREW THE FRENCH<img src=newicons/spit.gif border=0 align=middle> and like I say If you dont like whats on the table leave.

But I dont Discrimate when it comes to eating.

We have the
BEST BEEF,PORK,CHICKEN,TURKEY in the world and the nail in the coffin

is SPAM,Hershy Bars cant getting more American than those 2 foods.


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Goose did you know the Hawaiians’ love Spam? I mean they eat more of it than all the rest of us combined. They adore that shit. Youre right also in that an American invented that stuff. It was part of the war effort, a meat that wouldn't spoil. No damn wonder as much salt and other perservatitives that are in the stuff.

Fender

"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw