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Due to the "Illegal Workers" and Tech.,Todays Youth get "Screwed" out of Jobs that alot of us did when we were growning-up .
Those Jobs taught us alot.
Skills,how to work with others,manage money,and Discpline,Manners,Respect for others.

But now these Jobs arent around anymore so more Teenagers are either "Living off Mommy and Daddy, causing trouble,drinking and doing drugs ,disrespectful, dont really know "WHAT WORK IS".
Not saying all but lets be truthful "Alot"

The Jobs I had Growning up
Pumped-Gas,Farm Hand,Carpenter.
Pumping Gas you learned how to deal with

People,assholes,scumbags, about ever type of person you run into but you were still "Polite and Respectful too" After they left you called them ever name in the BOOK.

Farm Hand,
We had a small farm but I mostly worked for all the Farmers in the Area.
Milking Cows,Feeding Cows,Sheep and Hogs, Doctoring sick animals,mixing feed,adding vitiams etc... sitting up all night with a Uwe having a Hard Birth of a Lamb and finally giving birth after you learned how to turn the Lamb,Calf around inside the womb.
Some lived others Died after fighting for 12-20 hours. That taught you that "Life SUCKS SOMETIMES no matter what" But seeing them up and walking those first steps and nursing WAS A BIG REWARD!

Planting crops,working the ground, walking beans in the Hot Sun pulling weeds(Now all Chemical)
Bailing Hay and Straw, either in the Sun on the rack behind the Bailer or in the Barn Stacking.You learned how to deal with Heat, and Pain for sure on that job. Bales would go from 50-80lbs and you stacked them with another person on the rack while not falling off!

Fall Husking Corn,hauling Wagons with Tractors and unloading them into the Corn Cirbs or silos.
Plus going to school between all that and the weekends that was your life during the busy seasons.

Nothing like getting-up at 04:30 Be there by 04:55 milking Cows till 06:30 take a shower,change ,eat and be on the bus by 07:05 get out of school at 14:05 catch the "Fast Route Bus" they only dropped you off at the main roads. I lived 1 and 3/4 miles down it so I walked home, I learned that I needed that for the USAF later on.
Coming in the house saying "Hi, change Mom would have a sandwhich and my supper packed and off I went down to the Farm I was working and find out what was what? Most of the time it was during the fall Husking Corn or Hauling Beans then later chopping stalks or plowing and disking until usually home by 22:00.
That would start in Early Sept and I would normally finish by Thanks Giving.
But I wouldnt trade those October nights working for anything,the smells,the air If I smell it now in the fall It brings back alot of memories .
Like Heat and Asphalt with fuel triggers memories today of the line.
If you broke down while working either the tractor or elevator to the crib etc... you fixed it or tried too.

I learned how to drive a truck by the time I was 12 and everyone knew exceopt my "Mother" until the week I turned 16 and she told GrandFather "I dont know if he's ready,or can drive well enough?"
My GrandPa slipped "Janny,he's been driving for years for the farmers down the road"
She blew a top! You think she would of notice on my Drivers Ed papers it said " farm kid,already can drive" "But needs to stop being a "Cowboy" with his arm out the window driving in class"

I also picked melons later on Hauling to Chicago's Southside Market. even while on leave during my first couple of times ,made good cash, usually 3x what I was making a month as a E-3.

None of those Jobs were Clean,easy or Pleasent at times but
You did it and you EARNED that Check.
Wasnt alot at first but later on it grew. But you gained alot of experiance which helped you in later years.
I learned how to build sheds and make repairs during that time too.

So I agree with What Matthews said and a couple of others on MSNBC
"Teens dont have Jobs like they should due to Illegal Aliens" Teens should be out working,learning a trade during the summer or whatever making some pocket money learning how to "Work".

The US would be a better place and these Kids who need something to do "Would have it".
IMHO


just my rambling on.

Goose



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Nice rant Goose, but I don't agree. Kids today don't have those kind of jobs not due to the illegals but instead, because they don't want them. An awful lot has changed since you and I were kids, our parents taught us if you want something, work for it. The youth of today have an entitlement mentality and the majority wouldn't be caught dead slinging burgers at Mickey D's steak house. Take a drive by the local high school, look in the parking lot and what you see are a bunch of late model and even brand new cars. I drove a '55 Ford that, initially, I spent more time under than in. I eventually restored it to pristine condition, bought a used up big block 390 police interceptor, rebuilt it to include an Edlebrock manifold that held a pair of Holly 4 barrel carbs. And Goose, I did all this with money I earned pumping gas and changing oil at an Esso station (for those under 50, Exxon used to be called Esso). And, like you, those days bring back memories..a lot of them not good ones..like the woman who came in every other day to buy a dollar's worth of gas. For her dollar, she'd get a little over 3 gallons, her windshield washed (she'd sit there and point to any bug spot you missed), her back window washed, her oil checked, her tires checked AND Green stamps..lotta fun trying to give those out in the rain.

The "fast route" bus along with bus stops no longer exist. Today, kids are picked up and dropped off in front of their house, even if the bus has to stop 20 times in 2 miles. If something were to happen to a child walking to a bus stop, the town would get sued.

Did you ever do summer sports? Little League tryouts were held the week after school let out. Notice the word "tryout". If you weren't good enough, you didn't get on the team. Today, there are no tryouts, everyone is automatically on the team because if they didn't make it, they'd be traumatized for life and the leauge would get sued. As for myself, I didn't make it the first year and I spent what free time I had after I got done mowing my lawns working on my skills with the other guys that didn't make it. Notice the lawn mowing? Today, nobody is going to hire a kid to mow their lawn, if something were to happen, the homeowner would get sued.

Farm jobs? Not today. The former local farm is now a sprawling development full of 3600 (and larger) square foot $400,000 houses. The few family owned farms that are left can't/won't hire a 12 year old, it's not only illegal but if something were to happen, they'd get sued..see a trend here?

I'm going to end this rant by saying this; Anyone who thinks today's kids aren't doing the menial jobs because the illegals have them is seriously out of touch with reality.

OC

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Between the two of you, OC, you and Goose have it covered. In a way I feel sorry for today's kids that don't have those olifactory memories. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> Associating smells with the past is one of the strongest we humans have.

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You know, it's not always like that. Some kids I know work and have the same values. I worked in a warehouse over the summer and I learned how to work efficiently, quickly, how to plan out different steps, and when I had to work in the shop I learned how to deal with costumers. I know what it's like to work a 16 hour day before I turned 18. Sure, some kids are pansies who live off mom and dad, but some kids are better workers then some adults I know.

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I'll meet you half way Chief,They still De-Tassel corn around here for the seed companies, Thats when you ride or walk down the fields of Corn and choose "Bull" rows and "Female roles" to come up with a type of corn.
Thats a Crappy job but thats a "Legal job for any one over 15 in Illinois.
But your right about about some of what I did it would be illegal today,but look at ,Bus Boys,Dishwashers,waiting tables not to many kids get those jobs most here are all done by "Illegals".
I still live in a "Vast" Farming area Kids here still get to work for some of the companies only when they turn 16.
But they all went to Illegals.

I worked at a "TEXACO" STATION trust the man with the Star" and we had the samething.
I Had a lady (I use that work real loose) that would come down every week ,check her oil,tires wash her windows buy a pack of Smokes (.75) and NEVER BUY A GALLON OF GAS but Yell at you the WHOLE TIME TO HURRY IT UP!".
Green Stamps I remember those Babies and what were the "Gold ones" called?

I guess it depends on what part of the country you live these days.

BG I didnt say "All" but the Chief has it for the most part "Right" on the "Entitlement Attitude" not all but alot.
My 2 girls are working at Sonic,one for a Year almost and the youngest one just was hired.They are buying their own cars, thats the way they want it.

But Another point OC I agree with is cars in the parking lots, I drove a 67 Chevy I had to buy FROM my parents which I wanted to do. 283 Impala Fast Back, I'd kill for that car now! I paid $300.00 in 78 and Today I drive a 98 ford ranger .

I did notice the dealer in town has a 67 Chevy pick-up same make and model I learned to drive but in Gold not in Green for sale and a 55 ford pick-up both restored. They sure arent asking $300.00 .

Things have changed too much.

Oh, I forgot they had summer sports, I played in Little League until I got "CUT" best thing that ever happenedto me thats when I went to work.

Goose



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,
(1706 - 1790)





Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jun 15 2006 06:59

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Sounds like this is the place for us "old guys" to rant a little on the differences between then and now. I have to agree with everyone that's posted to this thread in one way or another. I too worked at a Texaco Station. Had coveralls with the star and everything. "Hi Test" gas was 29.9 cents a gallon. I remember folks comming in for 2 bucks worth of gas, which filled up their tanks, and washing their windows, checking under the hood, airing up the tires and never getting a thank you for it. It was expected and we were always polite to them no matter how badly we got treated. One thing I really liked was summertime when the girls would stop in wearing low cut tops and shorts. We used to race each other out to be the one that got to wash the windows so we could sneek a peek. Some things never change.
As for today's kids, my opinion is that most are lazy and only want to bum off of their parents. They expect everything be handed to them. They have to have the most expensive everything. $150.00 for a pair of sneakers? What kind of crap is that? I'll bet Nike pays the Indonesians (or whoever makes them) 18 cents an hour. I remember my Mother buying 2 pair of "Keds" (one for me and one for my brother) for $5.00 and wearing them until there were so many holes I couldn't wear them anymore. Also, the only time you wore sneakers at school was in Gym class. Other than that you wore dress shoes, slacks and a button up shirt. I don't even want to get started on the baggy jeans hanging below the butt crack with the underdrawers hanging out that the kids of today wear. Buy a pair of jeans that fit or PULL THE DAMN THINGS UP.
Now I have to work with my own family. As an example, my step son (16) just HAD to have a cell phone. Since he was working at Chick-fil-a, we thought it was a good idea. His plan had 50 text messages included. Hell, he did 300 in the first few days he had the damn phone. He said he'd pay for 2500 per month and, last month he did 3,630, mostly while he was in school. Needless to say, he's losing his phone.
Anyway, like Goose and OC, I too worked the fields, pumped gas and did anything I could to make money. Also spent more time under my 60 Chrysler than in it. It may not have looked too good but that baby could sure smoke the tires. Love those old Hemis.
Needless to say, I am convinced that all I went through helped mold me into the man I am today. Still miss the smell of fresh cut hay, fresh turned earth and, most of all, the smell of a busy flightline.

Engineguy

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AMEN to that engineguy

OC

Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints

Amen is right Chief.


Goose

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,
(1706 - 1790)

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I'm heading out to Utah in two weeks to see my new Granddaughter and maybe I can get Dice-man to get me on the flightline. Been a few years since I had my last "fix" of flightline smells. What do you think there Dice-man? I'll even buy you a cold one or two. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Franklin Deleano Roosevelt

I agree with both of you (Old Chief & Goose). I might be 17 yrs. old and I might not do any of those jobs that were listed above but I do Cut 3 yards and a 1 acre lot with a push mower and work 30 hrs. a week on top of being involved with AFJROTC Band and school. My dads first job was shoveling Horse SHIT (excuse my language)making $70 a week on top of working for my Paw Paw's oil company making nothing going to school and working on their farm. Now he is a CMSgt with 25 yrs in the USAF and a job at 8th AF HQ and along hiatory of dedicated service including Crew Chief with the 23+81 TFWs. I'm just trying to say that Yawll had it tough and I guaruntee that if yawll had talked back you would be holding you're teeth and I respect that. I just want to get in the USAF and do my duty and put the values istilled in me by my folks to work and from there just go with it.

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Due to the "Illegal Workers" and Tech.,Todays Youth get "Screwed" out of Jobs that alot of us did when we were growning-up .
Those Jobs taught us alot.
Skills,how to work with others,manage money,and Discpline,Manners,Respect for others.


The Jobs I had Growning up
Pumped-Gas,
Pumping Gas you learned how to deal with

People,assholes,scumbags, about ever type of person you run into but you were still "Polite and Respectful too" After they left you called them ever name in the BOOK.

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I don't know of any gas stations that actually pump gas and do small work like they used to. We used to have an Exxon station that both of my brothers worked at right behind our house. Turned into those Speed Marts where you pump your own gas and walk into the store.

Working with parents at times on the phone, I think a lot of them are "given" stuff either because their parents went without or feel guilty about not being around. I'm amazed at parents who will buy their kids $200 hockey sticks or $400 skates. Not for some 14 yr old kid. But little Johhny wants it so Mommy & Daddy have to cough up the money.

The problem with Youth is coming from both sides, the parents and the kids.....



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