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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2004, 21:25 
This is an email i got recently:

WE ARE HONORING A TRAITOR ?

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA




This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear.





Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."





Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.


The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.




In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."


Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.




He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.





In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton.


From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.




His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived.




Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand.





When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"





Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.


She took them all without missing a beat.




At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers.





Three men died from the subsequent beatings.





Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi.




My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)





We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda.




I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."





Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released.




I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.





She did not answer me.


This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women."

Lest we forget..." 100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.




There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.





It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"

Ronald Reagan


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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2004, 21:52 
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Gotcha. That shall be cut & pasted to e-mail and forwarded to a few people tomorrow.

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I'm not a fan of Jane either, and think what she did in vietnam was stupidity of the highest order. However, after reading it, I felt some of the letter might be a little suspect, so I did a google search for: jane fonda larry carrigan, and it turned up a bunch of web sites talking about the history of this chainmail. Apparently it is part fact, part fiction, and has been floating around the net for about 5 years. Here is one article from about.com:


http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399b.htm

'Hanoi Jane' Rumors Blend Fact and Fiction
Part 3: 'A Story to Hang Their Hate On'

There's no disputing that Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam, propagandized on behalf of the communists, and participated in an orchestrated "press conference" with American POWs in 1972. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out.

But how true are the further allegations in these email rumors? Let's examine their veracity point by point, beginning with the most serious:

# Claim: Fonda betrayed POWs by turning over slips of paper they gave her to their captors. POWs were beaten and died as a result.

# Status: FALSE.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, whom I reached by phone at his home in Arizona. Carrigan, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967, says he has no idea why this story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda," he told me. It goes without saying he never handed her a secret message.

He said he did see Jane Fonda once while he was a POW – on film. The occasion was a night when Carrigan and the other 80 or so men he was interned with were called out into the prison courtyard – "the first time we'd been outside under the stars in 5 or 6 years." As the men stood there wondering what was in store for them, a movie projector began whirring behind them. Their captors were showing them footage of Fonda's 1972 visit to Hanoi.

# Claim: A POW spat at Fonda, for which he was brutally beaten.

# Status: FALSE.

This story is attributed in the email to former Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll, who says it's false and did not originate from him. I wasn't able to speak with him directly, but Mike McGrath and Paul Galanti, fellow officers of the Nam-POWs organization to which Driscoll belongs, told me he unequivocally disavows the story.

[UPDATE: After this commentary was written I received personal confirmation from Jerry Driscoll that the story is indeed bogus – as he put it, "the product of a very vivid imagination."]

Mike McGrath, currently serving as the president of Nam-POWs, has worked hard to help Driscoll and Carrigan squelch the false rumors circulating under their names.

"They would like to get their names removed but the story seems to have a life of its own," he told me. "There are a lot of folks out there who would love to have a story like that to hang their hat and their hate on."

# Claim: POWs were beaten for refusing to cooperate or meet with Fonda during her visit.

# Status: TRUE.

The final anecdote in the "Hanoi Jane" email recounts the experience of a POW who agreed to meet with Fonda but announced to his captors that he planned on telling her how horrid conditions in North Vietnamese prison camps really were.

"Because of this," the narrative continues, "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped."

Those words were written by Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the Viet Cong in 1968 and held as a POW for 5 years. When I contacted him, Benge confirmed that the story was indeed his own, and true.

Benge's original statement, entitled "Shame on Jane," was published in April by the Advocacy and Intelligence Network for POWs and MIAs. The nameless, faceless author of the "Hanoi Jane" email evidently picked it up from that or another Web page or newsgroup and combined it with fabricated stories to create the much-forwarded message. Some versions now circulate with Benge's name appended, others quote his statement anonymously.

'None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club'

A good cause is never well served by lies, and that's how all of the ex-POWs I spoke or corresponded with about the falsehoods in this message felt. Paul Galanti said: "None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club, but these fabrications are something she just did not do."

No one had an answer to the questions, "Who made up these stories, and why?" but both Carrigan and McGrath expressed serious doubt that it was a POW.

"She did enough to place her name in the trash bin of history," McGrath explained. "None of us need to make up stories on her."

Jane Fonda could not be reached for comment.


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IT'S DAMNING ENOUGH WITHOUT ALL THE MADE UP CRAP.

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I agree


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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2004, 16:44 
Sure is. Funny part, i had heard the paper slip story before, but it was just one guy that gave her a slip in that story.

There is more than enough evidence that were the government so inclined, Fonda could be charged with all manner of felony offenses for her actions during the Vietnam war.

I hope history continues to piss on her grave for all eternity.

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I hope history continues to piss on her grave for all eternity.
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Funny you say that. There are certain people who are on my piss list, and she's one of them.

You know me, Snipe...I ain't kidding.

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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2004, 19:59 
Roger that bro.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"

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Its ironic that Korea and Vietnam where the first examples in the history of warfare that a more powerfull force (US) reserved the right to unleash its most lethal weaponry to avoid civilian collateral damages at the expense of its own airmen, soldiers & sailors. Yet people like Jane Fonda still cannot grasp this, as our own liberal media cannot today...


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Jane Fonda <spit>

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