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I find it telling that Mr. Kerry avoided attending the Iraqi priministers speach, while speaking in Ohio undercutting the Priminster's speach. Paint doom and gloom.

Kerry should have been responsible and been in attendance at the very least, then met with the man afterwards to address his concerns to the man on the ground. no instead he gives aid and comfort by doing what the terrorist want by fostering the view the sky is falling.

Kerry is accepting a pay check for being a senator, but I have not seen him do any senatorial work.

Personally, I want to know what Mr. Kerry's response is to the Iraqui priministers statement of thank you. Would Mr. Kerry tell this man to his face he is not worthy of freedom and liberty. Because his statements of late about this being the wrong war and he would have avoided it, in principle say that to every Iraqi.

And this from the man who would be "Boss"!

"Live every day like it's the last, 'cause one day you're gonna be right!" Ray Charles (6/10/04 was the day)

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\"Those who hammer their guns into plows
will plow for those who do not.\"
- Thomas Jefferson

You got it exactly right Matt.

For Kerry to win, he has to convince the sheeple that "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!"



"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

AND LIKE THE KING AND HIS JESTERS DONT?
EVERYTIME BUSH STARTS POLLING BAD THE HOMELAND DEFENSE RASIE THE TERROR LEVEL "OH THERES ALOT OF TRAFFIC AND COULD BE AN ATTACK BETWEEN NOW AND SOMETIME LATER."

FEAR IS WHAT THEY PUSH.

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

look goose I really like you but man you are jaded. the point is Senator Kery is a senator his ass should have been there to meet this man, not out cutting his legs out from under him.

Goose i know you feel Bush has not met your needs or desires, but how in the hell is a man who misses 80% of the votes for a job he is being paid for going solve you problems. He does not even think your important enough to show up and vote, but he collects the pay check.

I really like you man but damn what would it take to please you, we dont live in a utopia. What would happen if an attack occured and the government provided not future warning then guys like you would be calling for Bush's head.

Honesty is fear, damn it man look a round the world at the truth the terrorist are slaughter babies, and blowing up planes. Your government is telling you the truth that these assholes what to kill you, your family, and everyone else this is truth. It is up to you to decide if you are afraid or are going to look around call authorities when you see something that looks like these assholes are about to harm someone.

In closing how in the hell does Kerry calling this the wrong war wrong time not offer aid to the terrorist--giving them the illusion that they are affecting the american will to win in Iraa. If Kerry aint carefull more our servicemen are going to die because the terrorist percive they are winning.

Kerry is repeating his own history. I would not be surprised that if Iraq becomes another Taliban Afghanistan, that Kerry's portrait will again adorn a place of honor in the temples of our enemy.

A suicidal determination to live...

He's already a Communist Vietnamese War hero, might as well add Iraq to the list.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

MATT,
I DONT WANT A F---ING THING FROM EITHER ONE, YOUR THE JADED ONE.
EVERY CHANCE YOU GET ITS NOTHING BUT BUSH BASHING,I TRIED LIKE HELL NOT TO START IN BUT MAN THIS ONESIDED THING IS BULLSHIT!

YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE GOVERMENT TELLS YOU,FINE I DONT.
AND DONT TELL ME ABOUT THE WORLD LIKE I'M SOME KIND OF 2YR OLD BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I LOVE MY COUNTRY,I SERVED MY COUNTRY AND WAS WILLING TO DIE FOR IT AND STILL WILLING TO IF THEY WOULD LET ME.

SO DONT TELL ME WHAT I'D DO,OR SAY BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

DONT GO THERE.
BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT,I JUST DISAGREE WITH PARTS OF YOUR OPINION ,I MADE MY BELIEFS KNOWN ON THESE TWO AND THE MORE I SEE FROM BOTH THE MORE I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE TOP BLANK ON THE BALLOT
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MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

I think Bush is a damned fine president.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

I am not bashing Bush, sure I am bashing Kerry because what is his plan. Goose what is your plan?

What are your ideas?
What are your solutions?
What are your convictions?
Where do you stand?

While you can choose to not vote because you dont like either, you will get what you deserve a political body that ignores you because you have choosen not to have political value by not voting.

I like your right to disagree, but disagreement is not enough you have to bring ideas, conviction, solutions to the table or be religated to the irrelevance. It is not enough to disagree.

Hey Matt,
Let me try to defuse some of the hostilities. First of all I really like Goose. He is the kind of guy I would do most anything for and I have never met the man. I respect him and his service to our country. I also respect his perspective on vetrans affairs especially the V.A. medcal care woes we now face. I feel he has a unique insight, mainly because he has had to jump through hoops to get adaquate care. He has witnessed other Vets not getting what they need, deserve or were promised. So take it easy on him.

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

First I dont hate goose or begrudge him his due. I wish life was fair and everyone was treated as they should be. I will admit the VA is shame it should be fully funded and vets deserve what they need in a time efficient and respectful manner.

But at the end of the day it is the country's safety and the nation being care for as a whole. The question is who will do this the best.

I understand goose has been mistreated by the government, and it should not have occured but I do not understand where he stands.

HEY FENDER, THANKS BRO,

HERES MY IDEAS LIKE THEM OR NOT FOLKS,

1. IRAQ IS NOTHING BUT A "SHIT HOLE" WE BLEW 2 CHANCES TO LET THE IRAQI'S HAVE THEIR OWN FREEDOM SO TO ME ITS SINK OR SWIM TIME.
WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY IN THAT PLACE FOR LIBRAY'S AND SUCH THEY DONT EVEN CARE ABOUT WHILE ARE TROOPS ARE STILL FIGHTING IN LIGHT ARMOUR HUMVEES AND ITS PRETTY BAD WHEN THE FOLKS AT HOME BUY THEIR KIDS THE ARMOUR VEST THEY NEED AND EQUIPMENT.
THE EST IS 10 YRS BEFORE ITS PEACEFUL,IT AINT HAPPENED IN 1000 YRS.
ITS TIME FOR THE IRAQI'S TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. REMEMBER IT WAS THAT YAHOO WHO DISBANNED THE IRAQI MILITARY AS SOON AS HE GOT THERE.
BIG MISTAKE, YOU ALREADY HAD A TRAINED ARMY .
THERE'S 1000'S OF THEM ALREADY TRAINED IT COMES DOWN TO $$$
PAY THEM AND THE PLACE WOULD GET QUITE REAL QUICK.

2.THE WHOLE MEDICARE MEDS BILL IS A CROCK OF SHIT,MORE OF IT GOES TO DRUG COMPANIES THEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT. PLUS THE BILL HAS NO PROVISIONS FOR THE GOV TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES LIKE THE VA HAS.
UNLESS YOU NEED MEDICATION YOU REALLY CANT GRASP THE DRUG LOBBY'S POWER OVER THIS BILL. I KNOW BECAUSE I WORKED FOR A DRUG COMPANY FOR ALMOST 9 YRS.
IT SHOULD BE CHANGED AND THEIR SHOULD BE NEOGTION OF DRUG PRICES AND THESE DISCOUNT DRUG CARDS ACTUALLY COST MORE THEN WITHOUT IT.

3.EMPOLYMENT ANY COMPANY WHO OUT SOUCRES SHOULD LOOSE ALL TAX CREDITS OR BREAKS PERIOD! PLUS THE GOVERMENT SHOULD ONLY BUY AMERICAN GOODS WHEN POSSIBLE, REMEMBER WHEN THE ARMY GAVE THE PRC THE CONTRACT TO MAKE THE NEW BRETS? NEVER SHOULD EVEN COME INTO PLAY.

4. THIS NEW OVERTIME LAW,YOU SEE WHERE THE COMMITTE HAS BASICALLY STUCK IT DOWN NOW AND REPUBLICANS VOTED WITH THE DEMOCRATES ON THAT.
COMP TIME FOR HOURS WORKED
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READ THE FINE PRINT. (AT THE COMPANIES CONVENICE OR AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY CAN JUST PAY THE COMP TIME IN STRAIGHT PAY IN LOU OF TIME OFF) BULLSHIT! AND I'M GLAD THEIR WORKING TO CHANGE IT.
IT IS A OLD LAW BUT A NEEDED ONE.
YOU WANT TO GET THE DEBT DOWN,PUT AMERICANS BACK TO WORK WITH JOBS THAT PAY FAIR AND BENEFITS


5.VETERANS BENEFITS, THEY WERE PROMISED SO THEY GET IT PERIOD THE MEDICARE THEY NEED AND EARNED. THE PRES SHOULD BE BULIDING MORE CLINICS AND STOP CLOSING THE HOSPITALS.
THE VA BUDGET SHOULD BE MANDOTRY PERIOD,YES THE PRES PUT 40% MORE IN THE BUDGET BUT WAS STILL SHORT 1.2 BILLION IN NEEDS. AT THE SAME TIME THE USE GREW 150%
HE CUT 50 MILLION OUT OF THE ARTIFCAL LIMBS RESERCH.
THESE FOLKS COMMING BACK NEED THE SUPPORT AND IT SHOULD BE PERIOD!
LOOK AT THIS SITEhttp://www.soldierride.com/ THESE GUYS ARE TAKEN MATTERS INTO THERE OWN HANDS. BUT THEY SHOULDNT HAVE TOO.

6.THESE LAWSUITS THAT EVERYONE IS FUSSING ABOUT.
I AGREE ALOT ARE PURE BULLSHIT,BUT SOME ARE JUST. TO ME THEIR SHOULD BE A REVIEW PANEL LIKE JURY DUTY THAT CAN DECIDE IF THE CASE CAN GO TO TRAIL.
BELIEVE ME ANYONE HERE THAT WAS OR HAD MEDICAL OR PRODUCT PROBLEMS SHOULD AT A MIN GET FREE MEDICAL FOR THE PROBLEM AND BASED ON THE OUT COME,I'M SORRY BUT BE PAID ON A SCALE.
DEATH OF PERSON $$$$$
INJURY $$$
PAIN AND SUFFERING IS A HARD ONE,I'D GO WITH THE TWIN TOWERS SCALE ON THAT.
DR'S SHOULDNT BE LEAVING DUE TO BS CASES AND 100 MILLION OF DOLLARS REWARD.
A LOVE ONE CANT BE REPLACED WITH CASH!SORRY ALL YOUR DOING IS REWARDING SOMEONE. SO THATS WHY I'D GO WITH THE SCALE.
BUT TO YOU LOOK AT LOST INCOME AND POTINTAL.

7. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY EITHER MILITARY OR CIVIL SERVICES.VOLENTEERING,BULIDING HOUSES, ETC... KIDS TODAY NEED TO BUCK UP. DONT ASK WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY I LOVE THAT LINE JFK.

WELL ITS TIME TO FEED MY FACE,
BUT IN CLOSING HERES MY STANDS
1. MILITARY THATS STRONG
2. CLOSED BOARDERS UNTIL THEY CAN GET A HANDLE ON IT.
3. RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
4. ABORTION IS UP TO THE PERSON,BUT IT SHOULDNT BE DONE WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS. YOU HAVE TO BE IN THAT POSITION TO JUDGE.
5. I BELIEVE IN UNION AND UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN IN A UNION DONT JUDGE IT. I KNOW I'VE SAID "ONLY THING DIFFERANT BETWEEN A UNION AND COMPANY IS ONE PAYS YOU. AND YOU PAY THE OTHER.
6.BUY AMERICAN WHENEVER POSSIBLE
7. THEY NEED NOT TO TREAD ON OUR FREEDOMS IN THE NAME OF HOMELAND SECURITY,I RATHER DIE FREE THAN HAVE MY RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY.

I SOAPBOXED ENOUGH,AND MATT WE JUST HAD A HEATED TALK,I AINT MAD AT YOU,COULDNT BE WE'RE FAMILY HERE.

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

First off i know you aint mad we just disagree fundamentally.

I am only in business today because I can outsource. if i could not outsource it would be costing me hundreds of thousands of dollars to make my programming dreams come true. Outsourcing has made it realistic to achieve my dreams of runing a truely effective and profitable telemedicine business. you should look at the price of hiring a programmer over seas versus here and look at the quality worker you get. Like it or not we have a global economy and I believe in the end a global economy will lead to more peace and prosperity world wide.

As much as I wanted to server my country it was not realistic after having serious medical problems in high school. Instead I spent five years of my life working as a paramedic, there are many people alive because I was blessed to serve them.

As for unions I think they have become a perverion of what they were. When a man becomes a fire captain because of senority versus quality of work ethic it is a disaster.

My personal opinion on the VA is it should be closed and you the veterans should have access to the best civilian care period. the cost of maintaining a separate system that does not necessarily have clinics where the vets need it is fruitless.

government does not give you a job in a capitalist society. Instead of preaching the government is going make the quality of the job, we should be encouraging innovation and partnerships without sourcing to create new wealth and innovation.

Goose if I am sucessful in my endevor i have the potential to hire thousand both here and abroad. Note the big if. I am not going to pay an american 10x what an indian cost for better quality work, nor am I going to hire an indian to agressively service my customer service base.

WELL MY POINT IS,IF YOU CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT WITH A CLEAR HEAD,THEN GO FOR IT.
ALOT OF PEOPLE GET SICK AND CANT JOIN SO BE IT,HATS OFF TO THE EMT GUYS!

SENORITY IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS,IF YOU HAD THE SENORITY FOR THE JOB YOU WOULD OF AGREED WITH IT.

THE VA NEEDS TO BE SEPRATE DUE TO PROBLEMS THAT OUR SERVICE RELATED,THERE'S SOMETHINGS THAT THE VA NEEDS TO BRING OUT INTO THE OPEN.
OH YEAH THAT REMINDS ME YOU SAIDI" understand goose has been mistreated by the government, and it should not have occured but I do not understand where he stands"
I'VE BEEN TREATED FAIRLY AFTER FIGHTING FOR MY RIGHTS
I DONT BLAME ANYONE I LOVE MY COUNTRY. I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE VETS WHO CANT GET HELP,THE VA SAYING ITS ALL IN THEIR HEAD FOR 10YRS NOW THE ARMY AND DOD ARE STARTING TO ADMITT THERE IS A "GULFWAR ILLINESS".
PLUS THE GUYS ON THE STREET WHO FOUGHT AND NOW ARE HOMELESS THATS A REAL CROCK OF SHIT!
overnment does not give you a job in a capitalist society. Instead of preaching the government is going make the quality of the job, we should be encouraging innovation and partnerships without sourcing to create new wealth and innovatioN
I AGREE FOR THE MOST PART BUT HERE'S A POINT IF I CALL CUSTMER SERVICE AND ITS A FORGEINER I ASK TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE ELSE,TOO BAD IF I HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS. AMERICA FIRST.
LETS PUT THIS QUESTION TO YOU
THE NOW VERY RICH MATTLOT WHO'S COMPANY IS MAKING 100'S OF MILLIONS NOW BY OUT SOURCEING CAN PAY FELLOW AMERICANS A LIVING WAGE TO PUT THEM BACK TO WORK? OR DONT WANT TO HURT THE BOTTOM LINE?THATS REALLY A CHEAP SHOT BUT THATS FOR THIS CLIP
really like you man but damn what would it take to please you, we dont live in a utopia. What would happen if an attack occured and the government provided not future warning then guys like you would be calling for Bush's head.

Honesty is fear, damn it man look a round the world at the truth the terrorist are slaughter babies, and blowing up planes. Your government is telling you the truth that these assholes what to kill you, your family, and everyone else this is truth. It is up to you to decide if you are afraid or are going to look around call authorities when you see something that looks like these assholes are about to harm someone

THATS A REAL STUPID QUESTION IF YOUR LOOKING AROUND YOUR ALREADY AFRAID AND WHO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? THE FOLKS YOU OUT SOURCE TOO? THE DISGRUNTAL VET? SOMEONE WHO SNEAKS ACROSS THE BOARDERS ON A DAILY BASE'S.
ANYONE WHO'S MUSLIUM? LAST TIME I LOOKED WE HAD FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
I WONT LIVE IN FEAR BECAUSE DOING SO GIVES THEM THE VICTORY,BY LOOSING RIGHTS IN THE NAME OF SECURITY,IS FEAR,TRACKING YOUR MOVEMENTS IN AIRLINES OR PHONES,IS FEAR.
I ONE THING I KNOW IS WHEN THE TIME COMES AMERICANS STAND UP TO THE CHALLENGE NO MATTER WHO'S PARTY,WHO'S RELIGION.WHAT COLOR YOUR SKIN AND STICK TOGETHER.

I GIVE YOU PROPS ON YOUR JOB MATT,I REALLY DO BUT I STILL DISAGREE WITH YOUR CHOICE ON THE COUNTRIES LEADERS BUT HEY IT AMERICA.

I DO MY PART,YES I GET A PAYCHECK FROM UNCLE SAM,BUT I PAY FOR MY OWN MEDICAL CARE AS LONG AS I CAN SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN GET TREATMENT.
I COULD KEEP THE $1130 AMONTH BUT I'M BLESSED SO I DO. PLUS WHEN I CAN I DO MY PART TO HELP OTHERS.
THATS TO ME WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT
YOU FIGHT FOR THE UNDERDOGS AND YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT FIGHT. I CAN SHOW YOU BOARDS THAT FOLKS WHO HAVE SERVED WITH HONOR TELL HORROR STORIES OF HOW THEIR TREATED AT WORK,BY THE VA AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL
LABELS LIKE "RETARDED,,BRAIN DEAD,WORTHLESS,SLACKER,FAKER, ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD" DONT EVER BELONG ON A SERVICE MEMBER OR THAT FACT ANYONE LIVING.
I SAW IT IN THE REAL WORLD TOO
<img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_furious.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_furious.gif border=0 align=middle> AND I FOUGHT LIKE HELL TO CHANGE IT,BUT WHEN I GOT SICK NOONE EVER SAID "HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW" BECAUSE I NEVER JUDGED ANYONE.
THATS MY COVICTIONS


MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

ok goose who knows I may make it in business or I may fail. I will not pay more for the same or inferior quality work here because I have a responsibility to stay in business if I make it my share holders and the people I employ. Now I firmly believe if you pay your employees a fair wage, and incentivize quality you can find a very fair pay schedule.

Senority for the sake of seniority does not incentivize quality, and if you want to stay in business you need move foreward with the best people and best bottom line you can afford. I am not hartless, but i can not stand people bitching about the manufacturing jobs comming to an end or going overseas where labor is cheaper, when they spend all their money at walmart. If your not willing to pay the extra money necessary to pay the american worker, why should the businessman eat the cost.

My point is this is double edge sword, you can not blame the company when the american consumer is only willing to for the cheaper product from india or china

Glad everyone is OK. Matt I wasn't taking sides either, as I also see Bush as the lesser of the two evil choices. It's just I see Goose as a friend, albeit one I never met, that I respect and care about. I may not agree with his politics but I sure do like the guy. Same goes for you. Never met you but you sound like a stand up guy. I just get in the mother hen mode when an argument breaks out amongst the hoglets.

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

Edited by - Fenderstrat72 on Sep 24 2004 5:37 PM

I BLAME COMPAINES LIKE WAL MART FOR THEIR BUISSNESS WAYS, I ALWAYS TRY TO BUYAMERICAN,BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST CANT.
WE HAVE A WALLY WORLD AND A BIG R'S FARM STORE THATS THE CLOSET THING IN 40 MILES TO SHOP. WALLY WORLD RAN THE REST OUT OF BUISSNESS.

BUT HERE'S MY SPIN,IF AMERICANS WERE ALL WORKING AND GETTING PAID A FAIR WAGE INSTEAD OF $6.00 AN HOUR THEY COULD AFFORD THE MORE EXPENSIVE PRICE RIGHT?
I LEFT MAKING $22.00 AN HOUR PLUS BENEFITS. I WASNT MAKING WAGONS I DELT WITH HUMAN BLOOD AND ANIMAL SERUM THEY GOT OFF CHEAP WHEN EACH BATCH WAS WORTH $1.8 MILLION AND WE DID 3 A WEEK JUST ON THAT PRODUCT.


BUT HERE IN THE END WE GOT OFF SUBJECT<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

MY MOTTO :LIVE FREE OR DIE AND MONEY TALKS, BS JUST PILES UP.

HOWS THE LITTLE ONE FEELING BETTER?

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

Goose at the hight of my EMS adventure I made 12 a hour and no benifits got shot occational, got bleed everyday (hiv,hep, ect), mutlitple accidents in with car running into the ambulance, coughed on regularly (TB), and got beat up psych patients. I know real world. But lets agree to disagree and know you will never work for me, I'm too cheap lol.

Have a great night man

Hey Goose I didnt know you were capable of writing that much in one stretch. Damn I'm impressed. I have to agree with you on a lot of stuff Goose. I hate to admit this but on a lot of stuff I am a closet liberal. I agree in the concept that people need to be responsible for their own person, ie in health care issues, retirement, ets ets. But at the same time we have become such a huge nation and so diverse that everyone cant possibly take care of themselves. Maybe in truth, technology has just gotten to advanced for the amount of peple that we have in the world. The reality is, is that there isnt enough for everyone to do for good equitable living. Neither is there enough money in government to give everyone a slice of the pie the size that they want. I have tried in school to research this and find where I really stand and get a true conviction on the issues, but I cant. I really am torn by the knowledge that I need to be all for me and my family in todays day and age, but I still need to try to be totally charitable and all for the good everyone else. I can be a liberal and make myself feel good, with the knowledge that in the long run I am really just hurting society as a whole. Or I can be conservative and feel like crap because because I wouldnt feel like I had a conscience, even though I know thatI was being true to myself.


By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a pearage or Westminster Abbey........Nelson

Edited by - Hawg166 on Sep 24 2004 06:17 AM

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YGBSM !

John Kerry shows up at Chicago's largest cemetery. Shortly thereafter he begins a long, loud speech, while his staff begins placing 'Vote for Kerry' buttons and flyers on several gravesites.

A passerby notices the commotion and can't help but be curious. He approaches Kerry during his speech.

"Excuse me, Senator Kerry, just WHAT do you think you're doing?"

Kerry calmly answers "Simple - I'm campaigning!"

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Thanx for the moderating Fender, aka Fender Lehrer.

I am a socail darwinist. If you can't take care of yourself(whoever 'you' may be), it's not my problem.

The strong survive.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

ok here somethin that will end the argument, impress both parties and you will never here the media say it in a thousand years. Last year we insourced more jobs than we out sourced. It just that all the jobs we outsourced we're low pay, low education blue collar jobs. We insourced white collard jobs, with high education and pay. Most of the jobs came from Europe. Because Europe is so heavly socisitic. they can't aford to keep management there. I read this in The Wall Street Journal.

"VMI is a flip-flop obstacle course"

Since 1984, the US has insourced almost 3x as many jobs as they've outsourced....and like Flyboy mentioned, the insourced jobs have been highpaying white collar jobs, vs the low paying blue collar jobs that've been outsourced.

Since 2000, the US has insourced almost 2x as many jobs as we've outsourced.



"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

yes but sniper what about the poor man who did not get an education and all he knows how to do is repetively screw a bolt on a 1000 times a day.