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It's some boring stuff in places but, it also contains some interesting info on how and why the committee was formed, and why some bases were closed and others left intact or realined.

I now know why some decissions that affected me personaly were made (I agree with some and disagree with others) and what the end result was. Well back to my research, the rest of the day will be tracking aircraft from base to base and AMARC...no tail numbers will not be listed, only number of aircraft moved and to where.

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Well touch me in the morning and just walk away ! Any info on the the maybe but probably not combination of Connecticut and Barnes ? That would be great if they combined us at either airport and made a training A-10 wing.

By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a pearage or Westminster Abbey........Nelson

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Sorry Hawg166 I should have said old BRAC reports! I'm working on chapter two of my book, base closures and realinements, and pulling data on why BRAC was formed and the reasons some bases, like England AFB LA., was clsoed.

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Just to revive an old topic...this may be BS, but I was sent this at work, claiming it is the 2005 BRAC list...but don't go crying to me if it turns out not to be true (or turns out to be true)!

Cheers! M2

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BRAC List - Just off the Press
Army bases currently proposed for closure or realignment in 2005 include:

* Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania
* Detroit Arsenal, Michigan
* Fort Belvoir, Virginia
* Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico
* Fort McPherson/Gillem, Georgia
* Fort Monmouth, New Jersey
* Fort Monroe, Virginia
* Fort Polk, Louisiana (to realign)
* Fort Richardson, Alaska
* Fort Sam Houston, Texas
* Fort Shafter, Hawaii
* Lima Army Tank Plant, Ohio
* Natick Soldier Center, Massachusetts
* Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey
* Redstone Arsenal, Alabama
* Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois
* Sierra Army Depot, California
* Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona

Air Force base closures and realignments include:

* Altus AFB, Oklahoma
* Beale AFB, California
* Brooks AFB, Texas
* Cannon AFB, New Mexico
* Columbus AFB, Mississippi
* Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota
* Goodfellow AFB, Texas
* Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota
* Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts
* Kirtland AFB, New Mexico
* Los Angeles AFB, California
* McConnell AFB, Kansas
* Nellis AFB, Nevada (to realign)
* Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina (to realign)
* Shaw AFB, South Carolina
* Vance AFB, Oklahoma

The Air Force will lose 2,260 military and 2,839 civilian manpower positions, and 1,055 reserve drill authorizations next year, according
to the 2004 force-structure announcement released July 23. Many bases, both active duty and reserve component, are affected by the realignment.

In many cases, units will gain aircraft and missions, while others will pare down.

Besides manpower reductions, the realignment formally announces the retirement of the C-9A Nightingale and KC-135E Stratotanker aircraft.

According to Air Force officials, the 20 C-9s are being retired because of reduced-patient movement, range limitations and increasing
maintenance and upgrade costs. The aeromedical evacuation mission will become a requirements-based system using all passenger-capable aircraft.

The service will retire 44 of the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve Command's 43-year-old KC-135Es next year, replacing them with 24
KC-135Rs from the active-duty fleet. By the end of fiscal 2006, the Air Force will have retired 68 of the KC-135Es.

Naval base closures and realignments include:

* Ingleside Naval Station, Texas
* Naval Postgraduate School, California
* Naval Air Station Meridian, Mississippi
* Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst, New Jersey
* Naval Recreation Station Solomons Island,
* Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane, Indiana
* Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division, Virginia
* Navy Supply Corps School, Georgia
* New Orleans Naval Support Activity, Louisiana
* Pascagoula Naval Station, Mississippi
* Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, New Hampshire
* Saratoga Springs Naval Support Unit, New York

Marine base closures and realignments include:

* Marine Corps Logistics Base Albany, Georgia
* Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow, California (realignment)
* Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, California
* Marine Corps Mountain Warfare School, California
* Marine Reserve Support Unit, Kansas City
* Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, California (realign or close).

As I understand the changes in the German AF here, there will be more space on the main ramp, which means we'll be seeing more planes through here if Cannon and such close. Only so many bases with room like White Sands gives for blowing stuff up.

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If true, 30MM Jr would be happy...except the 126 ARW (IL ANG) apparently is so good at maintaining the E model they keep getting everyone else's (PA this year) POS to keep in the air! No good deed goes unpunished!<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

So, you have trouble. We all have trouble. Build a bridge and get over it.

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Check this site out!
http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/
The "official" recommended list doesn't come out until May 16, 2005 and the president makes the final approval in november 2005.
Any lists right now are probably speculation?

HEY DICE,
IF YOU CAN WHY DID THEY CLOSE ENGLAND AFB? I KNEW THE BEACH WAS CLOSED DUE TO PRIVATE(PRESSURE) AND THE LEASE THAT THEY HAD WITH THE FORMER OWNER.

THANKS GOOSE

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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HEY DICE,
IF YOU CAN WHY DID THEY CLOSE ENGLAND AFB? I KNEW THE BEACH WAS CLOSED DUE TO PRIVATE(PRESSURE) AND THE LEASE THAT THEY HAD WITH THE FORMER OWNER.

THANKS GOOSE

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.
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Goose, go to the link below and when the PDF file open click on AF Recommenadtion chapter 4 on the left-hand side, then scroll down to page 96 and read for yourself.

http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/docs/1991dod.pdf

Ugly But Well Hung

Dice you have just way way to much information about everything. Its just not right.

By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a pearage or Westminster Abbey........Nelson

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Dice you have just way way to much information about everything. Its just not right.

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ROFL, I guess that's what you get when you make something (like the A-10) your hobby and enjoy doing research on it, and the people who support it. I've also been lucky enough to meet and know people like yourself and all the other memebrs of this forum (and many other "contacts" I've made through the years) who help me learn a little more every day.....and even send me door art pictures and the history behind them from time to time!! <img src=newicons/smiley_salute.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ugly But Well Hung

THANKS DICE,


MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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Check this site out!
http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/
The "official" recommended list doesn't come out until May 16, 2005 and the president makes the final approval in november 2005.
Any lists right now are probably speculation?


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Correct. "Lists" that are out now are mere conjecture on people's parts, there's nothing official yet and won't be for another few months. In fact, the commission members themselves haven't yet been appointed, but will shortly.

IMO, Cannon and Holloman will stay open.....lots of ramp space and great airspace. Not much in the way of encroachment, and if Luke closes, one or both can pick up the FTU mission, even with the 9 squadrons Luke has. Holloman itself is picking up a ton of ramp space with the German F-4s leaving and the Tornado's cutting from their current fleet of @40 to @15 jets.

Lets take Luke AFB as an example:

Luke itself has all sorts of problems: Just across the street from the south gate, there's a subdivision built last year of 200+ civilian homes. Bet dollars to donuts most of those people moved in on a Sunday and "didn't know there was a noisy air base across the street." Add to that that most all departures, and especially all live loads, must depart runway 21 to the southwest. Add even to that that a natural gas company, which has owned a large plot of land 3 miles off the runway 21 centerline, has decided to build a large natural gas storage facility there.....imagine the first BDU or even whole Viper that falls into that place......secondaries everywhere. One of the BIG things BRAC considers is economic damage to the local economy (a criteria I personally disagree with), but they still do. For Luke, that means not just how will the cities of Goodyear and Glendale be affected, but how will Mesa/Scottsdale/Apache Junction/Chandler on the opposite ends of the valley be affected? Answer? Not much.

There was talk of taking Gila Bend aux and turning it into the new Luke with the addition of another runway and building up the place; but other than allowing F-16s to bingo out of east TAC and Range 3 with about 0.6, there's not much good to that $$$s-wise. The ranges themselves can either be turned over to DM, or there's even talk of making Yuma MCAS a joint-use base with AF and Marines. The name of the game with BRAC 2005 is jointness-good, redundancy-bad.

Alot of people are counting on the fact that because AZ has Sen. John McCain that Luke is protected. Well, we had Sen Barry Goldwater in the late 80s and we lost Willie, so there's no guarantees there either.

It'll be interesing.

Edited by - Type 7 on Jan 04 2005 10:04 PM