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Hi guys. I quick question about this, if I may.
I did read the thread further down but it didn't quite answer my question so, here goes!

I'm playing Operation Flashpoint (I know, don't laugh) and two missions require a handheld designator on the ground to illuminate a target for an LGB armed A10 to attack. However, the bombs keep missing so I thought I'd ask the people who know how it's really done.

Can you guys give me some idea of the approach the aircraft should take, altitude, speed, level/diving toward target? And any other factors you might think important?

If it helps any, the date that this is supposed to happen is between 1985 and 1990. I thought that might influence which type of LGB would be used.

Many thanks in advance,

Paul

THis would go better in the sim section.

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Does this game include CCIP mode in the Hawg? If it's set in the 85-90 timeframe and someone on the ground is laseing the target CCIP should get it "close enough" to hit the target.

Ugly But Well Hung

Dice OFP does not use the ballistic tables or physics tables In the sense they are used in our fighters. OFP is a really old game that is modded to activate scripts. It is really subjective with the hacks and tweaks that have been done to the game over the years.

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In '85-90, we didn't have CCIP yet, so LGB drops were done in expanded mode using manually calculated mil (sight) settings. More preflight planning required and a lot of luck if the wind was other than forecasted.

But I have no idea what this game is thinking.

Coach

Thanks Thug I have no idea about this game...thought it might be like a flight sim.

Coach, I thought the Hawg got CCIP with the LASTE mod which happen in the 89-93 timeframe?

Ugly But Well Hung

Dice I have a At-38 Degrade bombing simulator for the PC if your interested in getting an idea on the process.

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LASTE didn't hit the streets until after WWDS, late '91 and '92. It was being tested before that at Nellis, but the ops units didn't begin to see it in large numbers until early '92.

Coach

Ok here's the deal with OFP. The only US Fixed wing A/C modeled in the game(original) is the A-10. THATS why on the LGB mission you have Hawgs dropping the weapons. The Flight Sim aspects of the game are at best poor, for the fixed wing, poor to average for teh Helo's and moderate for Armor... its really an infantry 1st person shooter, with reasonable wounding death characteristics. In most instances the 1st shot wounds second shot kills (sometimes it takes 2 shots to kill sometimes only 1).

But the main point is that the game in NO WAY takes on a realistic dynamic when it comes to either the A-10 or the SU-25.

but there is a fun mod with an F-15 and a B61? (the dumb drop nuke Bigthug was talking about lobbing) hehehehe still haven't managed to clear the death zone... >:D

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My apologies, I should have given more information on the game in question. Stinger is indeed correct, it's an primarily infantry/armour engagement simulator FPS game, and models flight quite poorly, in it's original incarnation.
However the mod makers (the laser designator and the script that controls the bomb is a script and therefor a mod) are pretty fastidious in their work which is why I thought they may have modeled the bomb fall and designation physics accurately. So, Coach, im hoping the game might well be thinking what you guys did in the years in question.
So, my question is, can any of you guys who have done it for real give me any pointers as to what approach profile the A10 should be taking to the target?

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So, my question is, can any of you guys who have done it for real give me any pointers as to what approach profile the A10 should be taking to the target?


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Sorry I've never "done it for real" but, I would think an LGB drop on a lased target would be a wing level medium altitude, turn away and get the hell out of Dodge drop??

Ugly But Well Hung

Sorry to keep nagging...

Medium altitude being how much?

Also, what distance from the target do you think the bomb be released?

I take it you're scripting the drop?(I did some pretty wild OFP mods a few years back). Try a dead on approach in a 45 degree dive.

That should work.

As far as <b>actual</b> lasing procedures for an LGB, you should know better than to even ask.

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Snipers...and targets.</b>
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No, I'm playing the mission that features the script. As I said earlier on, my guys keep missing the targer despite it being illuminated.
I didn't mean to ask for sensitive information. What's been said above makes me think the procedure I'm aking about is no longer in use now anyway but I do sense a certain evasiveness in the answers, which I do understand.
I guess I'll have to keep trying.

pauleden, is the bomb hitting long or short of the target? If it's hitting short the bomb is being released either at to low an altitude or too far from the target. If it long then there is a problem with the lasing script.

Ugly But Well Hung

Ah. Good question. The two times we came in high (8,000 feet) the bomb went long by a long way. I tried flying it and approached at 80 feet @130 knots but I think I released too early as the bomb fell well short. Another time, we did 120 feet @170 knots and the aircraft was destroyed in the blast (and it missed the target laterally). At least, that was the pilots excuse.
Now that I collate this information I'm beginning to suspect the lasing script or the script that guides the bomb in flight.
I've just found http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/longshot.htm
which says in paragraph 7;
<i>Its laser system becomes active at that point. LongShot allows the weapon to fly with GPS navigation to a "basket" in the sky, from where the laser targeting system takes over and guides the bomb to its final destination.
</i>
I realise that the system described on that page isn't entirely relevant, but I'm assuming such a "basket" exists in all bomb dropping situations? Am I on the right track at all?

Pauleden, if a traget is being lased by another source other than the aircraft dropping the bomb, the aircraft doing the drop only needs to give the bomb enough energy to get to the target. The bomb itself should "fly" into the target following the reflected laser light. If you have LGBs flying long then the problem is with the laseing script.

Ugly But Well Hung

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I take it you're scripting the drop?(I did some pretty wild OFP mods a few years back). Try a dead on approach in a 45 degree dive.

That should work.

As far as <b>actual</b> lasing procedures for an LGB, you should know better than to even ask.

<b>There are two kinds of soldiers.
Snipers...and targets.</b>
<img src="http://www.creedmoorsports.com/images/SA9121-M21.JPG" border=0>
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>which mods did you work on?

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The LGB has a certain field of view that it can see the reflected laser energy. In order to have a successful drop, you must make sure the bomb can "see" the target AND have sufficient energy to make it to the target.

Coach

"which mods did you work on?"

Just some missions, scripting and weapons for my own amusement. Nothing i ever posted online. I don't usually share my mods.

I did a REALLY cool 1-4x magnification illuminated reticle suppressed HK MP10(10mm), just as an example.

<b>There are two kinds of soldiers.
Snipers...and targets.</b>
<img src="http://www.creedmoorsports.com/images/SA9121-M21.JPG" border=0>

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"which mods did you work on?"

Just some missions, scripting and weapons for my own amusement. Nothing i ever posted online. I don't usually share my mods.

I did a REALLY cool 1-4x magnification illuminated reticle suppressed HK MP10(10mm), just as an example.

<b>There are two kinds of soldiers.
Snipers...and targets.</b>
<img src="http://www.creedmoorsports.com/images/SA9121-M21.JPG" border=0>
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>lol the only missions I made were ones that I go the M1 and a bunch of little commie infantry got run over... scripting wasn't my bag...

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Just a quick update guys. We've sort of got this working. If you want a quick lookie, try this 5 meg file.
As you will see, the designator is helo mounted. We are still working on sussing out the infantry mounted designator.
Note that you hear the pilot player calling out his height and speed, which sort of answers my question.


http://www.teamspaff.co.uk/videos/lasertest.wmv

<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> Tank getting launched into the hanger

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LOL, boom.

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Snipers...and targets.</b>
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