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Did anyone here know the pilot lost with 0700 at Eielson, I have a question I need answered.

Ugly But Well Hung

Dice,

Was that the most recent crash at Eielson?

Yes, I believe W30 was there at the time...

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79-0700??? Sure it wasn't 78-700? When did this happen?
db

Being responsible means sometimes pissing people off.
Gen Colin Powell ret

Dice

Check your email...

Cheers! M2

Yes, the most recent and yes DB it was 78-0700, my bad. Heck I will go ahead and ask the question I have here. I didn't want to do it here because it might sound a little strange but I want to get the facts for my door art book (which is how the question came-up) correct.

78-700's door was the "Ghetto Sled" and the DCC and ACC of the aircraft were Afro-American, I was wondering if the pilot was also. No disrespect intended here it would just fot the scheme of the door itself.

BTW Inkjet did you get the CD I sent you?

Ugly But Well Hung

And, as his name was released by the AF, I will repost the news report here, in hopes that someone knew the man...

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2/26/2004 - EIELSON AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska (AFPN) -- An A-10 Thunderbolt II pilot died Feb. 25 after his aircraft crashed at about 8:30 p.m. The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff near the Chena Flood Plain area, southeast of Fairbanks, Alaska.

<b>Capt. Jonathan Scheer</b> is officially assigned to the 354th Operations Support Squadron and he is an attached A-10 pilot with the 355th Fighter Squadron.

A board of officers will investigate the accident.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

May he RIP.

M2

Dice,

You made my heart stop for a minute. I thought "most recent" was like this past week. I was scouring newspapers thinking we had lost another pilot and Hawg.
As I remember 700 back in the 90's we called her Christine because she was one of the jets that had the bizarre electrical problems that would make the the jet make uncommanded pitch changes at inopportune times.
db

Being responsible means sometimes pissing people off.
Gen Colin Powell ret

The pilot was not African American.

Coach

Neither was the ACC or DCC (at the time of the crash anyway, maybe when the door was painted)

They say that the only two things certain in life are death and taxes. I prefer them in that order.

D.B.

Odd that you should mention electrical gremlins, considering this was the press release of the accident report...

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<b>Officials release A-10 accident report</b>

6/23/2004 - HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, Hawaii (AFPN) -- Air Force investigators determined spatial disorientation was the likely cause of an A-10 Thunderbolt II crash 3.5 miles north of Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, on Feb. 25.

The pilot, Capt. Jonathan P. Scheer, was killed and the aircraft was destroyed.

Based on evidence obtained during the accident investigation, Brig. Gen. David J. Eichhorn, accident investigation board president, said he believes the accident was caused when the pilot became spatially disoriented and was unable to gain situational awareness until it was too late to either recover the aircraft or safely eject.

Captain Scheer was the instructor pilot and formation lead for a flight of four A-10s on a mission involving takeoffs and landings using night-vision goggles. The crash occurred two minutes after takeoff.

General Eichhorn said he also found evidence that weather and an <u>unknown instrument malfunction</u> may have contributed to the crash.

Weather conditions the night of the crash made it difficult to see the horizon, and other pilots said there was little or no horizon from which to reference the aircraft’s attitude. Without exterior references, because of darkness and weather, Captain Scheer had to depend almost completely on cockpit instruments.

Captain Scheer’s flight information was captured by an onboard data system. <u>The board president said he believes he was also dealing with an unknown instrument problem since Captain Scheer’s behavior is consistent with a pilot dealing with a serious, disorienting issue.</u>

These two contributing factors severely affected Captain Sheer’s ability to fly the aircraft using either outside references or his instruments and led to the spatial disorientation that caused the crash, investigators said.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Cheers! M2

Thanks for the replies all, maybe I’ve got this one all mixed around. I received an email from a TSgt at Eielson shortly after the accident which gave me some background on the door. In the email he said the DCC was nick-named “The Brown Guy” and the ACC was AKA “Bro-Man” so I assumed (I know…I know) that both were African American.
I have both the ACC and DCC’s name so I will look them up on global and see if I can get the complete story from the “horse’s mouth”.
Thanks again for the info….


Here's the door in question BTW...

<img src="http://www.warthogpen.com/art_files/78-0700.JPG" border=0><b></b>

Ugly But Well Hung

I heard stories of the "Ghetto Sled" from a TSgt Expeditor I had in the Bulldogs. If I remember right, inside the speedbrakes at one time "Bro-man" had written a message in each Decel. It was either "Your ad here" or something else. Anybody know of that?

You might be a "Bulldog" if: You bend over and grab your ankles when you hear: "EXERCISE, EXERCISE, EXERCISE!"

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Former DCC OA-10A T/N 80-278

MMM,

Sounds like <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Officials release A-10 accident report

6/23/2004 - HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, Hawaii (AFPN) -- Air Force investigators determined spatial disorientation was the likely cause of an A-10 Thunderbolt II crash 3.5 miles north of Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, on Feb. 25.

The pilot, Capt. Jonathan P. Scheer, was killed and the aircraft was destroyed.

Based on evidence obtained during the accident investigation, Brig. Gen. David J. Eichhorn, accident investigation board president, said he believes the accident was caused when the pilot became spatially disoriented and was unable to gain situational awareness until it was too late to either recover the aircraft or safely eject.

Captain Scheer was the instructor pilot and formation lead for a flight of four A-10s on a mission involving takeoffs and landings using night-vision goggles. The crash occurred two minutes after takeoff.

General Eichhorn said he also found evidence that weather and an unknown instrument malfunction may have contributed to the crash.

Weather conditions the night of the crash made it difficult to see the horizon, and other pilots said there was little or no horizon from which to reference the aircraft’s attitude. Without exterior references, because of darkness and weather, Captain Scheer had to depend almost completely on cockpit instruments.

Captain Scheer’s flight information was captured by an onboard data system. The board president said he believes he was also dealing with an unknown instrument problem since Captain Scheer’s behavior is consistent with a pilot dealing with a serious, disorienting issue.

These two contributing factors severely affected Captain Sheer’s ability to fly the aircraft using either outside references or his instruments and led to the spatial disorientation that caused the crash, investigators said.

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Sounds a lot like the accident with the Idaho bird that was blamed on the ADI. I'm pretty sure that was with the original style NVIS ADI though.
Cheers
db

Being responsible means sometimes pissing people off.
Gen Colin Powell ret

Dice, I will e-mail you some info about the door and people when I go to work tomorrow (I am posting this from the Army MXR computer)

They say that the only two things certain in life are death and taxes. I prefer them in that order.

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Dice, I will e-mail you some info about the door and people when I go to work tomorrow (I am posting this from the Army MXR computer)

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Thanks jack any info you can provide will help.

Ugly But Well Hung