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| Author: | picaresquepilot [ 04 Sep 2006, 00:26 ] |
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I am having trouble finding heights of A-10 pilots. I would like to know how tall the tallest A-10 pilot is, anybody has seen. I've heard of the 6'6, F-16 pilot; but have never heard anything about the A-10. |
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| Author: | Old Chief [ 04 Sep 2006, 03:41 ] |
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I believe the Air Force standard for pilot height is 163 to 193 centimeters (64.2 to 76 inches). If you're at the upper end of the scale, there's two dimensions that are important. One is "sitting" height and the other is buttock to knee length. There's a standard for both but I don't know what it is. OC Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints Edited by - old chief on Sep 04 2006 02:57 |
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| Author: | Coach [ 04 Sep 2006, 05:56 ] |
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I know two guys that are both about 6'6". Coach |
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| Author: | HogSnort [ 04 Sep 2006, 08:54 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I know two guys that are both about 6'6". Coach <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> Coach...... Is one of these guys the one who flew in red section at England AFB in mid 80's? I was there 83-86 and remember a BIG guy flying over there. Word was he has special made flight suits that added material down the entire side! Heard tell he was so big and unable to turn enough to plug his g-suit hose in that the crew chief had to plug it in as well as set any controls on the rear panels that may have needed it? Was told he was an ex-academy football player, and was nothing but nmuscle. I saw him a couple times and while I didnt think he was as tall as 6'6....he was still a Big Big Man! He definately filled a cockpit! |
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| Author: | majormadmax [ 04 Sep 2006, 09:55 ] |
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Chad Hennings flew Hawgs... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Hennings Hennings was 6'6" and 267 lbs when he won the 1987 Outland Trophy as the nation's outstanding collegiate lineman. He was in the USAF from 88-92, to include flying Hawgs during the first Gulf War. Cheers! M2 |
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| Author: | Coach [ 04 Sep 2006, 10:56 ] |
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Chad Hennings did NOT fly in the first Gulf War. He flew afterwards in Provide Comfort over northern Iraq when the 92nd was deployed to Incirlik Turkey. He was large! Dale Storr was shot down in Desert Storm from the 76th and was also very tall. He was the one who got the Iraqi guards pissed when he said, "Lick me, I'm a Vanguard!". Montana flew at Myrtle Beach and Pope and Rolls flew at Bentwaters, D-M and Alex (I think), they were both about 6-6. Montana played basketball at the Academy. Nortman flew at Alex, Pope and D-M, he was probably the tallest one of all. Coach |
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| Author: | majormadmax [ 04 Sep 2006, 11:18 ] |
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Coach I stand corrected (actually, the Wikipedia site is wrong). From Chennings' own web site: <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote><font size=2>...[Chennings] entered the Euro-NATO program, a training program for top pilots, and soon found himself at the controls of the A-10 Thunderbolt. During his four-year stint with the Air Force, Hennings flew 45 missions in support of Operation Provide Comfort in northern Iraq, an effort that helped provide relief and humanitarian aid to Kurdish refugees. He received two aerial achievement medals, a humanitarian award and an outstanding unit award for his actions in the service. source: http://chadhennings.com/bio.php </font id=size2><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> Cheers! M2 |
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| Author: | majormadmax [ 04 Sep 2006, 11:22 ] |
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And I've update the Wikipedia site with the info from Chennings' web site... Still, back to the original question, Chennings was 6'6" (78") and 267 lbs and flew the Hawg... Cheers! M2 |
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| Author: | jbpig [ 04 Sep 2006, 12:09 ] |
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When I was at Pope in 92-95 I was on the demo team and we had a nairator (sp) named Norton. He was like 6'6-6'7 he told me once he slumpted to makeke sure he was "short enought" to make in in. Unitam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!!!! |
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| Author: | MICHAEL PIJAR [ 04 Sep 2006, 12:37 ] |
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Hey Hawg 166 I think that Steve Stengle was up around that 6'6 area. "GLAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE AND HAVE BEEN PROUD TO HAVE SERVERED" |
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| Author: | Bacon Bits [ 04 Sep 2006, 12:49 ] |
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There are some good pictures on his site, including one of a couple of 'Skulls' Hogs escorting a pair of RAF Herks and another of Chad after his final Hog mission......and one humorous shot of Chad crammed in the cockpit of an Iraqi Mirage. |
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| Author: | majormadmax [ 04 Sep 2006, 13:07 ] |
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So he was at WR, eh? <img src="http://chadhennings.com/img/gallery/mil_10.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://chadhennings.com/img/gallery/mil_04.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://chadhennings.com/img/gallery/mil_06.jpg" border=0> Couldn't have been there long, as he only graduated from RTU in 1990, and he seperated in 1992. Cheers! M2 |
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| Author: | majormadmax [ 04 Sep 2006, 13:14 ] |
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By the way, I did read an article that stated Hennings had to get waivers to fly the Hawg. Now, although Coach is correct, a lot of articles sure make it sound like he flew in the first Gulf War, such as this one... <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote><font size=2><b>Hennings: Mission much different from Gulf War</b> By John Clayton ESPN.com Retired Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle Chad Hennings is like most Americans. His emotions run the gamut from compassion to rage and from doubt to anger. Unlike most American athletes, Hennings had a military background. <u>In 1991, he piloted bombing runs in the Gulf War</u>. The next year, he wore the Cowboys uniform as he started an impressive nine-year NFL career. "My Christian side wants fairness for our enemies, but I also would like to seek retribution," Hennings said. "Finally, I've come to my senses. Our nation has been forever changed by this. How we view our foreign relationships will be different. Drastic changes will come. The way we handle terrorists may be less diplomatic and more proactive." Tuesday's terrorist attacks had major impacts on athletes with military backgrounds. Were he still active in the Air Force, Hennings might have been asked to be part of the country's retribution for any country that harbored terrorists responsible for the attacks. NFL players such as Denver Broncos running back Mike Anderson, a former Marine, and Buffalo Bills defensive tackle Bryce Fisher, who was in the Air Force, spent a lot of time on phones to check on friends. "I have friends and former classmates who work in the Pentagon," Hennings said. "I could be in the Pentagon, too, if I were still in the military. People the players knew are going to be facing a lot of things during these hours." But in some ways, the military taught Hennings and those players how to deal with tragedies such as those on Tuesday. It teaches them to do their job despite the distractions, which is why Hennings believes the Andersons, Fishers and others know how to respond to this crisis. "The military teaches you to put everything aside and accomplish your job," Hennings said. "The mission for the players right now is to be a professional athlete and sports. I've talked to soldiers who have been in Vietnam and Korea and they told me they made prayers that ended with, 'Let me complete my mission. It doesn't matter what happens to me.' That's so profound." <u>That was Hennings' stance when he flew his bomber runs into Northern Iraq: Let him complete his mission. But Hennings admits that the mission would be different if he were recruited into exacting retribution against terrorists.</u> "Our job was to fly out of England and go into Northern Iraq and I was trained to fight a foe you can see," Hennings said. "All the rules of engagement are changed. We are going to fight a foe that's invisible. There was an excitement back then. You are doing what you are trained to do and you are getting in the game. Wanting to seek retribution is going to be different." Hennings sees the United States being more aggressive in punishing terrorists because Tuesday's attack on the World Trade Center towers involved so many civilians. "Civilians didn't sign up for this. They didn't sign up for the military," Hennings said. "People in the Pentagon knew when they signed up that there is a risk. These terrorists broke every rule." Which is why Hennings sees the United States altering some of the freedoms that individuals have been granted during the years. "We, as a nation, have been scarred by this, and we are going to want more security," Hennings said. "We may have to give up some of our freedoms. The second and fourth amendments are going to be affected. Search and seizure are going to be affected. The right to bear arms could be affected. How much latitude are we going to give the government and still be a diplomatic and free country. But we've got to be willing to give some of our freedoms for our security." Hennings also foresees changes in air travel and public places in which large crowds are assembled. "Anybody who doesn't have a fear of flying, well, they have one now," he said. "How are you going to guarantee security in large venues for players as well as fans? People may want to avoid crowded areas. I just keep going back to the fact that this has changed the American way of life." Like most Americans, Hennings is glued to his television set. His mind flashed back to his days as a Cowboy in 1993 when there was a terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City. "Several of the veterans including myself went to Oklahoma City to support the rescue effort," Hennings said. "It struck home when we were there and we saw the carnage. It was tough for everybody. I'm sure for those players in New York it's going to be difficult to get back to work. But these players are professionals. They are used to distractions." So, should the NFL play this weekend? "There are two schools of thought," Hennings said. "You have guys play to give the country something else to look at. But the country also needs time to grieve. Personally, I think the NFL should not play. The country needs time to grieve. For that reason, I think it's just too soon." <i>John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com</i> </font id=size2><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> So, although he never directly says he flew combat missions during the first Gulf War, most of the articles I have read claimed that he did. You'd think he'd set the record straight, but as a professional motivational speaker, it probably doesn't hurt his image not to... Cheers! M2 Edited by - majormadmax on Sep 04 2006 12:15 Edited by - majormadmax on Sep 04 2006 12:16 |
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| Author: | hawgstruck [ 04 Sep 2006, 17:21 ] |
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I am 6'5". I know of an IP at DM who is slightly taller than I am. I really doubt there is anyone taller than 6'6". Like someone already said, the standing height limit for USAF pilots in general is supposed to be 76" but can be manipulated by sitting height height and leg length measurements. The problems you run into in the A-10 are the stupid air vents that are designed in such a way that the corner of them digs right into your shin. I have developed callouses over time so it doesn't hurt much any more, but it used to! I've always believed that I would break both of my legs if I were to eject. Even thought he seat is supposed to travel aft as it leaves the cockpit, There is a lot of console that my legs need to clear before I'm safe. Another issue with that kind of height is weight. Luckily I'm mostly vertical and little of anything else, but the -1 specifies that the ejection is only designed for a naked weight of 140 to 211 lbs, with a maximum allowable weight of 245 lbs. Any weight above 211 is classified as a high risk for ejection at ANY airspeed. I have buddies that have been DNIF'd for a few weeks until they at least weighed 245 lbs. PILSUNG!!! PILSUNG! "A fighter without a gun . . . is like an airplane without a wing." -Brigadier General Robin |
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| Author: | Hawg166 [ 06 Sep 2006, 19:39 ] |
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Do any of you pilot types know Rainman ? LtCol Stevenson came to us from Fighter Weapons School where he was an instructor. He is the only guy I ever mat that has to take the back pad off the seat to be ablt to sit in the jet. The guys hands are like hams. "By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a peerage or Westminster Abbey !" Nelson the Immortal Memory |
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| Author: | Hawg166 [ 06 Sep 2006, 19:41 ] |
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Hey Mike I think your right KC was a big guy to. I think he left us right after Deny Flight. "By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a peerage or Westminster Abbey !" Nelson the Immortal Memory |
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| Author: | Coach [ 06 Sep 2006, 21:01 ] |
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Rainman is big, but not as tall as Montana or Nortman. We were all in the Sharks at Pope together. Coach |
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| Author: | picaresquepilot [ 06 Sep 2006, 21:59 ] |
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Thank you to everyone. This has helped my web search faster than anything else. I am 6'5 ish, and my crude home measurements of "butt to knee" and "sitting height", fall in the safe zone. Now for the near impossible; me getting picked up by a guard unit. Thanks again! |
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| Author: | rcscience [ 02 Oct 2006, 21:44 ] |
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Tall Hog Drivers?....when I was an IP at D-M in the late 70's , there was a young Capt who I believe was 6'8"...he was prepping to go to Bentwaters with the initial cadre of A-10s. As I recall he had been a USAF helo pilot and had won the AF Cross during the USS Mayaguez incident in the mid 70's...don't recall his name, but I'm 6'4" and he was definitely more than 2 inches taller than I...perhaps some old Bentwaters troops will remember him. Cheers to all the Hawg crowd! Col R. C. Lemon |
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| Author: | rcscience [ 02 Oct 2006, 21:59 ] |
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back again...did a little research on the above post(should have done it first...sorry about that) The pilot's name was Don Backlund..you can read his exploits vis-avis the Mayaguez by typing his name into Google Search. Former Hawg Guy over and out here! Col R. C. Lemon |
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| Author: | Terry [ 03 Oct 2006, 20:13 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> back again...did a little research on the above post(should have done it first...sorry about that) The pilot's name was Don Backlund..you can read his exploits vis-avis the Mayaguez by typing his name into Google Search. Former Hawg Guy over and out here! Col R. C. Lemon <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3227/maya.htm |
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