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When Black (75th) had an IFE for #1 engine NO FAN SPEED????
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The Damnist thing I ever saw engine wise on A-10's the whole fan section was GONE. Pilot said all of the sudden the Jet Shuddered,lights started flashing and then it just stopped and saw he had no fan speed on #1 and shut it down and kept looking at the intake trying to see what was wrong.
When he got into Chocks they finally saw what happened,the whole fan section had "LEFT THE BUILDING" broke off and must of passed the jet leaving, a few weeks later someone brought in what was left of it after they found it hunting on the range.

Had everyone from Engine shop ,Tech Rep'S everyone scratching their heads because it was its first flight after engine change.
Of course they blamed "Maintance" but no one in Maintance just one of those things.

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Yeah just one of those things. You probably put it in right after you "fixed" my windshield water wash bottle. <img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Wasnt our jet Billy, it was a 75th Bird "Black Tail"


Goose

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Probably due to #1 roller bearing starvation aka no oil to the bearing.Cannot remember the year or TCTO number but we had a similar incident at Barnes.

We received a serviceable engine from another guard base and as shop policy we ran it on the test cell just for verification. On the first flight after the engine was hung the exact same thing happened.

The TCTO had to due with the #1 bearing oil supply tubes. Come to find out that if they were improperly installed there would be still enough oil getting to the bearing to complete a sucusseful ground run but when you and in aircraft "G" force factor there was not.

After that the oil tubes became and IPI item of the engine work package that requires you to visualy see oil squirting from the jet onto the bearing.

Remember the aircraft,I think it was United Airlines,that lost all hydraulic pressure in both systems after it lost an engine. The fan disk came off and cut through the lines. Probably the same cause.

"GLAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE AND HAVE BEEN PROUD TO HAVE SERVERED"

I haven't seen any engine damage worse than a WIP on the A-10, but while I was at Pope, one of the C-130's engine caught fire and actually fell off the jet. It IFE'd to the Fayetteville airport and sat on the ramp there for years. It was still there when I PCS'd.

The "L" in AMXS stands for "leadership"

AAA does a pretty good job too on a engine plus the nose cowl,doors etc..
But the engine kept running, the nose cowl had worst damage .

Goose

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Worst A-10 engine damage I have seen was a coyote strike in the #1 engine. Yes, you read that correctly a coyote strike! Formation takeoff and the number one aircraft hits a coyote and flips it the air right into the #1 of his wingman. Totally trashed the fan section from what we saw. The core took it bad as well. It was NOT a popular engine in the engine shop, it was getting stinky really fast in the Tucson heat.

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When the 75th first got the brand new planes, it hadn't been but a month or two, and I was doing my post flight. Being that the planes were only a few flying hours old, I was going by the book item by item, and came to intake inspection.Looking in, the first thing I noticed was the blades, and vanes were totally destroyed. Looked like a super fod case. Looking around more closely I found the intake seal shredded all the way around, and the lip full of holes. Calling over the expaditer, I asked the pilot if he had any engine problems. Well, he thought, and said ''yes'' the oil pressure was up, and down a bit but nothing else. As he climbed up to see what a fod dammaged engine looks like, I started to look for the source of the fod. To make a long story short, the mounting station on the right side of the nose, when not in use is supposed to have the mounting bolts safetied in a series. These were completly gone. Looking in the area where the intake seal used to be, I found all but one laying down in the seal cavity, all dinged to hell and back. First A-10 engine change for the 75th Sharks. Dont remember the outcome, but oops a costly mistake. The new seal that was installed during the engine change was gray, as was the new intake lip. We could tell it was our plane a mile off. It stayed that way for a couple months till it was painted.

Richard E.Ray USAF Ret.

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The "L" in AMXS stands for "leadership"

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The "L" in AMXS stands for "leadership"
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Talking about the TISL Pod maybe? Best guess I got for that one!

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Talking about the TISL Pod maybe? Best guess I got for that one!


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TISL ??? I haven't see one of those since my F-4E days! I believe he's taling about the Pave Penny pod pylons and the 4 bolts which mount the pod to the pylon or, when the pylon itself is not attached to the aircraft the mounting bolts for the pylon itself. You have to remember he said when they recieved the first aircraft from the factory, back then the pylon was not always carried like it is today.

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LOL, In Hog Snort's defense Dice, the control panel is still marked "TISL".

OC



Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints

Dice, We always called them TISL pods in the 23rd TFW, some pilots called them Pave Penny some TISL .
They were mostly just called "POD's" until 1986 when we started to fly with ECM POD's all the time then Pave Penny took over as the new guys came out of MAT and we came out of DCC school they tried to get us to use"Pave Penny" but it went back to TISL.
So I know where Hogsnort gets it.

Goose

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When I was a "TWA" (T-39) DCC I was coming back X-country from Korea we had to goto Clark AB to drop off some PAX's I was doing the
"THRU -FLIGHT" and noticed 2 rivets missing in the nose cowl of #1.
The TO says "no more then 5 rivets missing from the inlet as long as there more than 2 missing with in 6" on the Old J-60's.
One was at 12:00 the other at 9:00 so I did a FOD inspection, called T/A to see if one of the "Aggressor"T-39 engine troops was around.
They were gone so I asked the pilot "What do you want to do Sir?"
I figured I'd get a few days in the PI.
He said "If its good Chief lets go home I have a meeting tommorrow"
I said "OK Sir,I did a FOD Check will you re-inspect to verify?"
The Major got up looked at it with a mirror and flashlight after I showed him how we did it.
Looked good we flew back to Yokota.

I get a phone call the next morning to get to the Shop. When the jet landed it had 13 rivets missing and the blades were pretty chewed-up.
Asked me if I noticed anything in the PI besides the 2 rivets?
"No and the A/C checked it too" then they said "Go over to Engine shop and look at the engine"
I went over with "TAFFY and CATFISH" they had pulled the inlet cowl off the J-60 and doing so it Collapsed on them.
The inlet was corroded all the way around .
So they had a "URGENT TCTO" that went out to the fleet to remove the inlet cowl from every engine for inspection.

When an engine went to Engine shop their wasnt a inspection card for looking or removing the inlet ring to inspect the underneath inside of the cowl.

They found 8 engines in the fleet and 6 in shops that were"SHOT" .
So the Cowl I had to of had for my flight ended-up back in the states at Engine School as a static display on "What is NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE ON YOUR INSPECTION". They even sent the engine with it.

The Major when asked how #1 engine was working he said "Fine until we landed and it felt rough for a bit but nothing really unusual for that Jet"



Goose

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LOL, In Hog Snort's defense Dice, the control panel is still marked "TISL".

OC



Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints
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Damn ......Does this mean I am Old? <img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

I FOD'd an engine on a RF-4C from Alconbury once! Purely by mistake, as Mother Nature had a big hand in it!

Torrential downpour in Aviano. F-4 ready to go to Dechi (Dont ask for full spelling cause I wont or can't...lol....but those who been there know it!) ANyway I hand the backseater the forms and he shoved them back at me as he was cussing about getting soaked to the bone.
I set the forms on #1 intake and follow him up to help him in seat.
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Yeah we got a call an hour or so later in regards to a missing set of forms! I told them the backseater had them and then realized it was the backseater I was talking to! He hunk up on me!lol

Seems the forms were found straddling (Don't shoot me Dice---I forget what its called now! LOL) the lower vane of the 3 that are attached to the compressor on the front of the engine.
Only thing left was the backbone and the 3 rings,
Saw pictures in a USAFE Safety flyer a cmonth or so later......nasty looking what just paper and plastic did to it!

After that incident I kept very close attention to where my forms were at all times!!

TISL: Target Identification Set-LASER (Pave Penny)

TISEO: Target Identification Set Electro-Optical (long range camera on the F-4)

Coach

I stand corrected I guess it was TISEO on the F-4s and being the late comer' I am to the A-10 (1992) I never heard TISL used for the PP pod. <img src=newicons/tard.gif border=0 align=middle>

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TISL: Target Identification Set-LASER (Pave Penny)

TISEO: Target Identification Set Electro-Optical (long range camera on the F-4)

Coach


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WHEW!!<img src=newicons/anim_bow.gif border=0 align=middle> Thanks Coach!

I knew I wasnt that old to forget terminology, although I last worked my beloved Hawg in Jan of 86!

Hell Hogsnort,
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Goose

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I'm not sure about the actual pave penny pylon mounting bolt storage, but there are 4 nut plates on the bottom of the leading edge of the pave penny (TISL) pylon for storing the pod mounting bolts when there is not a pod loaded. I have never seen them used because of the potential for FOD, but it's not a bad idea to check and see if all four nut plates are still there and not rolling around inside!
Kungfu

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I'm not sure about the actual pave penny pylon mounting bolt storage, but there are 4 nut plates on the bottom of the leading edge of the pave penny (TISL) pylon for storing the pod mounting bolts when there is not a pod loaded. I have never seen them used because of the potential for FOD, but it's not a bad idea to check and see if all four nut plates are still there and not rolling around inside!
Kungfu


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My 3 years in the 75th, I dont remember a jet ever not carrying one. It was like she was nekked without it! LOL

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Worst A-10 engine damage I have seen was a coyote strike in the #1 engine. Yes, you read that correctly a coyote strike! Formation takeoff and the number one aircraft hits a coyote and flips it the air right into the #1 of his wingman. Totally trashed the fan section from what we saw. The core took it bad as well. It was NOT a popular engine in the engine shop, it was getting stinky really fast in the Tucson heat.

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Wow thats funny you Brought that up.......

In the Mid 80's in Thailand, we were the first Phase of the deployment to support a Combined Training Exercise with the Thai's.

Our Squadron Commander Freaked when he seen all the Ferrel Dogs running around the Base. He Quickly got permission from the Thai Representive Commander, and a Dog hunt Safari Began that Very Week. The Security police were earning their pay that week... the fun way. Then unbknownst to us, a German Photographer got Wind of it, it got publicised and the practice got axed.

The Dogs were not a Threat to us in the Bronco's, but the Col. was pretty long in the teeth with having First Hand (During Vietnam) ate a pack of dogs through Both Engines in a Thud. If I recall Correctly he was Fully Loaded with Snake and nape, On climbout with No Engines and punching out at 700 Feet, then PArachuted with a football Field length of the Aircrafts impact, and running away from Secondaries from his Burning Hole cooking off...

I recall Deer being Hit allot in Virgina and the Carolinas. I knew a few "Bambi Killers"


Gravity....its not just a good idea, its the law.
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-Genghis Khan

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Lets see if the Hog Pen has any life left in her. This is a pretty good whack, notice the gen in the second shot.



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WTF whas that?!?!?! Normally whenever I see something go down the intake like a WIP, its destroys every fan blade just bouncing around the intake for what has to be forever. Whatever did that just went straight through!

The "L" in AMXS stands for "leadership"