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Hawg166, I've got all the pics and info I need to do 166 for her combat stint, all I need is your okay to send the decal designers your photos. At least four have expressed interest in printing markings for her.

Goose, I'm trying to push this project as a career sheet following 166, so her time during ODS with the teeth and Gatlin' Goose would be pretty keen, too. I think I've got most of the info on her that you've sent to me in the past, so tail codes, teeth, door art, and crew stencils shouldn't be too much of a problem, other than the specifics of her individual teeth (I think I have pics, but don't know how often they were repainted, or were all teeth for the the 23rd during ODS identical?) and the actual names of the crew on the stencil plates and any unique mission markings (as well as the fuel probe ding on her nose and your windshield fluid re-rivet experiment).

I'd also like to get a hold of her new crewchief, or at least try to get pics if she's been painted with the new Warthog nose and her other new markings and codes. A three for one sheet with such interesting markings spanning the career of one aircraft would be a sure-seller.

Yeah buddy that would be freakin' rockadocious !

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Horrido,

How you been doing first of all? Long time Bro,

Now exactly what do you need?
As far as the teeth, all jets had the same teeth during the War, and I don't remember what I sent you, Shoot me an email with your addy and I'll send you what you are looking for.

Hey, what scale are you going to Do? That would be a Great Sheet because the Door art is in at least 2 books.
But the Desert Storm Door art and the first art is different so send me a email and we'll sort it out, might have to get ahold of \"Mack\" to get some of his pictures \"Ok'd\" by him since their his property.


Goose

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Billy, I'll resend the e-mail with the pics I want to use for your okay.

Ed, doing really well, just have been pinned with work, and now have enough time to sneak in little mouse runs for my pet projects like this. I'll send you the file of info I collected from you so you can take a look at what I've got and make corrections if needed. Any pics from Mack would be great.

As for the \"exactly\" part, that's a work in progress as I learn more and more, but the basics are: complete tail codes and markings, fuselage unit badges, if any, nose art and numbering, door art, mission markings, if any, and crew stencils/name plates. I believe all the rest of the markings were generic stencils applied to all aircraft, and that the only real trip-up are that the stars and bars were not the solid type, but the dashed outline, which people often get wrong. For an ODS 166, I'd need a decent description of the fuel probe dent and the re-riveted panel for the washer fluid. Possibly any pics or descriptions in the archives that could be had through a Freedom of Information Act request? Naturally, we'd set up an outline, post it for review and correction, and make continual additions until our resources were exhausted.

I'm pushing for 1/72 scale, but I'm sure decals would definitely be made in 1/48 and 1/32, and possibly in 1/144 if we could push it.

I'll take a look Evan, the rivets for the \"WW Bottles\" might be hard. but not impossible, the dent wont be either.
I'll take a look.

Goose

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Windshield Wash Bottle brackets are probably the most unique markings, really. Between the re-rivet, and subsequent repairs, it gets extremely familiar, jet-to-jet. For example. I had mine %100 re-done in phase, and they trained new S/M troops on it....I have a upside-down T-shaped dent that will never be undone, or forgotten, thanks to that. She may be ugly now, but still well hung, especially when they Pull her T**s up!

--Raven

Gee thats funny had (untill last week) six rivets that had pulled the skin slightly in from my bracket. My jet had this crew chief A LONG LONG LONG time ago, damn near ancient times; he used a 4x4 to get the thing to line up in order to get the mounting bolts in. What a hack ! Gee Goose I wonder who it could have been ? Hmm ?

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Hey, That was a \"Proper Fix\" in accordance with \"T.O. \"SARGE! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY F-ING EXCUSES, GET THOSE F-ING BOTTLES IN THAT F-ING JET OF YOURS GOOSE NOW!, \"

So I had to use some ABDR Training, it wasn't pretty but she got 3 tanks the next day.But I admit you had a mess to fix Billy.

So I'll never live it down , besides it wasn't a 4x4, it was a 6ft pipe I found.

Goose

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I guess I lied to the depot field team that we had to import to fix. But Horrido is right each jet has its own idiosyncracies and quirks. Its funny how we (the maintaners) get to know each one so personally.

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Your right Billy, just like our old bird, when you told me she had a Fuel Seep , I knew where it was, I bet when she flies for the \"Razors\" for awhile it'll pop up again.

Goose

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Billy,

I sent the pics I'd like your permission to distribute. Please let me know if you received them, as my server's been acting a little iffy when it comes to e-mail, of late.

Horrido you are cool to run with that. Just remember that while deployed to OIF 166 did not have the nacelle insignias on it. Also during OIF the door art was just the dog house with the inscription \"Tenebrae Factae Sunt\" on it. There was no blue sky or clouds at that time, because I didnt have time to get it on it. The inscription loosely means \"darkness has fallen\". It was meaningfull to me because of the whole Litening II pod work that we were doing and the NVG work we had started. The term \"Tenebrae Factae Sunt\" is actually the Biblical text that described darkness covering the Earth at the point that the Christ was crucified.

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Got the ball re-rolling:

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/ind ... pic=129445

Eventually, depending on the response, I may post a link to this thread at the above thread.

Damn-it Hawg166 you never told me this little tid-bit of info on the original door….I’ll have to keep an eye on you from now on…

Thread drift- that's why Good Friday services are frequently called tenebrae services. -Now, back to the topic at hand.

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Sorry wasnt trying to get theological/historical on you. I was just trying to make sure the decals were correct for the time period.

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Horrido,

Did you need anymore pictures? email with what you might still need, I've been busy with stuff.

Goose

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Goose, I think I've got all the pictures I need from Billy for OIF 166.

I don't think I have any pictures from you, just notes and information, which I still need to mail to you so you'll know what you've sent me. Any and all photos you have of 166 or other in-theater A-10s from ODS would still be highly useful and greatly appreciated. The photos I think I need most would be of the \"Gatlin' Goose\" door art, the 23rd teeth from front, port, and starboard if each set on each jet was unique, and maybe a photo of the fuel probe dent and the washer fluid bottle rivet repair job, as well as photos of any other unique characteristics or markings of 166 during ODS, such as crew stencils. All the generic markings for the 23rd are pretty well documented. We'd just have to make sure whoever does the decals knows the national insignia was the hollow kind, and not the solid that was so typical and is often erroneously applied to models of 23rd ODS Warthogs.