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| Author: | 44hollowpoint [ 10 Jun 2003, 06:31 ] |
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There was a programme on UK TV last night called 'Battle Stations Iraq'. It's part of a series covering hardware used in the last Gulf War (I know it's still not officially over, but who's counting). Last week it was about the BUFF and last night about the Cobra and the Apache. It's a pretty good watch and always has some good footage (the BUFFs carpet bombing was AWESOME <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>). They called the A-64 the defining weapon in the last Gulf conflict (don't all shout at once <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) and gave this example… <i>BTW, I'm not anything to do with any armed forces, so I know I'm going to get some of this wrong, but that's why I'm posting it. So I can get some other folk to help me get the facts straight. So lots of apologies up front if I get the wrong units or jargon wrong and offend somebody…</i> Two A-64 units with some 101st Infantry support managed to blow away an entire Iraqi division of over 500 armoured vehicles including over 400 MBTs in 48 hours. Now that sounds mighty impressive… (But I'm guessing because it was a bunch of A-64's they where only going where they knew nobody would shoot back <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>) So, is it true? And if it is, what could a bunch of hogs with the same ground support and in the same circumstances do in the same time? "A .44 magnum beats 4 Aces everytime..." |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 10 Jun 2003, 07:26 ] |
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I'm not in the military also, but here are my comments: First of all: its the AH-64, not A-64. Without the "H", it's just another plane, not a helicopter. Second: From what I think, it would be likeable that they could blow away that many, but it all depends on how far the FARP was from the engagement area, being that each Apache can only carry 16 Hellfires. I'm assuming that the non-MBT's, could be taken out with the 30mm cannon, but the MBT's can only be taken out with Hellfires. If we figure that the Apaches made a total of 30 missions with 16 Hellfires each flight, with an average of two misses or missiles not fired every mission, (meaning 14 Hellfires were shot and hit/killed a target) it seems logical that they took out that many. Being that they had the 101st Infantry support, which probably consisted of ATM's, such as the AT-4, and MBT's and IFV's such as the M-1 Abrams and the M2/M3 Bradley, I find it likely that, yes, that's how the story went and they really did take out that many. As for how much the A-10 would be able to do? Say 4 A-10's flew with 6 Mk 82's, 2 AGM-65's and a full load of 30mm, I assume they would be able to take out at least 15-20 ground targets per mission, per airplane, (30-40 with a two-plane flight, 60-80 with a four-plane flight) with the ground support. If each mission lasted 2 hours, with an hour down time in betweenmissions, than they would be able to make 16 flights. 16 missions with a total of 60-80 targets would mean a total of 960-1280 ground targets in 24 hours. Around double the amount the AH-64's would be able to take out. But once again, this is all extremely hypothetical, and I'm not in the military, so this is all one big guess... "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI Edited by - bigross86 on Jun 10 2003 06:28 AM |
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 10 Jun 2003, 12:36 ] |
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One Bde of Apache's is 36 birds, time 16 hellfire missiles each. A typical armored Bn is about 36 tanks, times 3 bns to a Bde, times 2 bdes to a division, plus a bde of IFVs, with all kinds of attatchments. So that gives you 576 missiles to kill 216 tanks. Of course a division will normally be spread out over a pretty large frontal area, and in depth with dedicated AAA and SAM units, which would soak up a lot of hellfires as well. Did they mention which Iraqi division it was? "Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead" |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 10 Jun 2003, 15:12 ] |
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A HOG DURING DESERT STORM FLEW BETWEEN 4-6 MISSIONS A DAY AND THEY WOULD HIT THE TARGET,GOT TO THE FOL,RE-FUEL REARM,HIT NEXT TARGET,BACK TO KING FHAD AB.,RE-FUEL RE-ARM SWITCH OUT PILOTS,HIT TARGET,GO TO FOL,RE-FUEL -RE-ARM,HIT TARGET,SOME WOULD GO BACK TO FOL TURN&BURN,HIT TARGET THEN COME HOME OR STAY AT THE FOL IT ALL DEPENDED ON THE FLYING TIME OR HOW DEEP THEY WE'RE GOING. BUT WE FLEW WITH 4 MAV'S AND 4CBU'S OR 4 MK-82'S THEY DID ALOT OF DAMAGE THOSE AH-64 WHEN THEY COULD FLY, BUT I WOULDNT GO AS FAR AS CALLING THEM "THE DEFINING WEAPON"IN THE LAST GULF WAR, MAYBE FOR THE ARMY. IF YOU GO BY THE MOST PICTURED ITS THE F-117,BUT AS FAR AS THE MOST FEARED WEAPON ITS THE "HOG" AND I PUT THE "B-52" THERE TOO' THOSE ROCKS KNEW IT WAS A BAD DAY WITH THE HOG AND BUFF WORKING OVER THE GRID. BUT YOU CANT FORGET THE HOG AND F-4G WW TEAMS EITHER CLEANING UP SAM SITES AND OTHER TARGETS PRESS TO TEST |
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| Author: | Homer32 [ 11 Jun 2003, 11:45 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> BUT YOU CANT FORGET THE HOG AND F-4G WW TEAMS EITHER CLEANING UP SAM SITES AND OTHER TARGETS <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> the f-4g wild weasels are still flying? "Ahhhh... the sweet little seconds before I remember why I am sleeping on the lawn." -Homer, The Simpsons |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 11 Jun 2003, 12:22 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>the f-4g wild weasels are still flying?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> I think in Reserve and Guard units, not in active service anymore "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | Horrido [ 11 Jun 2003, 15:00 ] |
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All gone, not even in Guard or Reserve. Goose was talkin' about ODS. A sucking chest wound is life's way of telling you to slow down... |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 11 Jun 2003, 15:08 ] |
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So what, now the Darts have taken over Weasel duty also? They take this "Jack of all Trades" thing way too seriously. "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 11 Jun 2003, 17:42 ] |
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THE F-16 ARE DOING WEASEL DUTY NOW,MUDD DID TIME AS ONE IN THE F-16. THE F-4G'S WERE STILL KICKING DURING THE 1ST GULFWAR. YOU CAN ASK DICE,A PHATOM WITH TEETH IS ONE MEAN %&^%&%$^%$#$%# AND PAIR IT WITH A HOG WITH TEETH AND "PRICELESS" PRESS TO TEST |
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 11 Jun 2003, 20:39 ] |
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THESE TEETH GOOSE? <img src="http://www.globalrelations.net/Vacaty/IMAG0151.JPG" border=0> "Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead" |
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 11 Jun 2003, 20:40 ] |
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Might want to save that one, real high res for ya Goose. I took that pic especially for you out at Hill. "Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead" |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 12 Jun 2003, 10:23 ] |
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THANKS SNIPE!!!!!!!! PRESS TO TEST |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 13 Jun 2003, 08:47 ] |
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SEE THE NEWS YESTERDAY,THE GREAT AH-64 GETS BLASTED AGAIN BY A BUNCH OF LOW LIFES,AND THE LAWNDART DOES DOWN BECAUSE OF "MECH. PROBLEMS",PROBABLY CAUSED BY EATTING ALOT OF SMALL ARMS FIRE. LETS FACE IT,ITS GOING TO GET ALOT HARDER TO SAY THE F-22 OR F-23 CAN DO CAS. JUST MAKE A NEW HIGHER COST VERSION OF THE HOG AND CONGRESS WILL BUY IT! PRESS TO TEST |
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| Author: | Warthog [ 17 Jun 2003, 15:12 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> LETS FACE IT,ITS GOING TO GET ALOT HARDER TO SAY THE F-22 OR F-23 CAN DO CAS. JUST MAKE A NEW HIGHER COST VERSION OF THE HOG AND CONGRESS WILL BUY IT! <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> I don't think the F-22 or F-23 will be able to cary as many weapon as the Hog...A-10 Have 11 hardpoints and F-22 have 6 (But I'm realy not sure) But I don't know much about the F-23... Hey...I'm not a pig, I'm the Warthog ! |
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| Author: | EzyJack [ 17 Jun 2003, 16:41 ] |
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[quote] JUST MAKE A NEW HIGHER COST VERSION OF THE HOG AND CONGRESS WILL BUY IT! PRESS TO TEST --------------- Your onto something and call it the Super Hog. A platform that is robust, works and the grunts love it. Jack |
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| Author: | Warthog [ 18 Jun 2003, 14:33 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> WE FLEW WITH 4 MAV'S AND 4CBU'S OR 4 MK-82'S <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> What ?! Only that ? Do you ALWAYS have that or it's just in some cases? I thought the A-10 can cary 6 Mav, and MUCH MORE mk-82 ! WTF Goose ?! (No ofence, I just find that stupid to cary this small amount of weapons...) Hey...I'm not a pig, I'm the Warthog ! |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 18 Jun 2003, 18:35 ] |
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"WTF GOOSE"? HOW I'AM I SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A PICTURE OF AN OPERATIONAL HOG LOADED? THE A-10 ON SOME PROMO PICTURES SHOWED TONS OF BOMBS ON IT,BUT THAT WAS FOR SHOW,WE DONT USE MER'S,HARDLEY USED TER'S DEPENDED ON WHAT WING YOU WERE IN. 4 MAV'S BETWEEN 2 LAU-88'S WAS ALOT TO CARRY PLUS THE 4 MK'S OR CLUSTERS. YOUR PLANES PREFORMANCE IS GREATLY EFFECTED BY HOW ITS IS LOADED. CHECK THIS LINK OUT,MY HOG LOADED DURING DESERT STORM,THIS IS A REAL LOAD,MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT NOT MUCH AS FAR AS AMOUNT. http://community.webshots.com/sym/image ... gWB_ph.jpg BUT I DONT MIND ANSWERING QUESTIONS,BUT DONT DO THE "WTF" OR TALK TO ME LIKE I'M SOME "NEWBIEE" JUST BECAUSE YOU USE "Warthog" FOR YOUR SCREEN NAME DONT MEAN YOU CAN DO "WTF" TO ANYONE HERE PRESS TO TEST Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jun 18 2003 5:37 PM Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jun 18 2003 5:39 PM |
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| Author: | Warthog [ 18 Jun 2003, 19:13 ] |
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O...I'm damn sry...Realy, I didn't wanted to ofend you. That's just because I was thinking that the A-10 was a VERY big "flying bomb truck" loaded of tons and tons of weapons... But that's seem to be false, and anyway, know that I admire you goose, from the moment I saw you posting here. Sincerily. srysrysrysrysrysrysrysrysrysrysry again ! Hey...I'm not a pig, I'm the Warthog ! |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 18 Jun 2003, 23:54 ] |
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Let it slide, Goose. He seems like an all right dude, and you can blame his outburst on his being Canadian. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 19 Jun 2003, 05:35 ] |
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OK Warthog, ITS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE,<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> SORRY FOR THE 2FT OFF YOUR TAIL SURFACES TOO. PRESS TO TEST |
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| Author: | bigross86 [ 19 Jun 2003, 06:58 ] |
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He says he's a Warthog, Goose, so 2 feet of tail is nothing. We all know the Hawg can take much more damage than that! "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI |
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| Author: | Hawg166 [ 20 Jun 2003, 08:36 ] |
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Hey Goose its me...........like you couldnt figure that out. Anyhoo during the Kosovo campaign we were pretty well hung. 2xAIM9s ALQ131 2xrockets 2Mavs 2clusters and 3Mk82's. The Marines and their sorry excuse for an attack jet (F18) just about wet themselves whenever they walked by our jets. During OIF we hung the 2xAIM9 ALQ131 Litening II 2xrockets LAU88 2xMK82 2xGBU12 and full gun. I dont think there was anything else in the air that could display such an impressive amount of ugly. Is that enough wieght for ya Hog ? |
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| Author: | sgtgoose1 [ 20 Jun 2003, 12:22 ] |
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YES THAT'S "UGLY,BUT WELL HUNG" LOLOLOLOLOL BUT THE BIG THING IS EVERYTIME YOU SEE A-10 MODELS OR SUCH THEY ARE LOAD WITH EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INCLUDING EXT TANKS! NOT A REAL LOAD CONFIG,UNLESS ITS A ONE WAY TRIP TO HELL!!!! PRESS TO TEST |
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| Author: | Hawg166 [ 20 Jun 2003, 12:52 ] |
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When we first arrived over at OIF we left our tanks on for a couple weeks. The options were discussed because I guess the pilots wanted to fly with them and punch them when they needed to. The F-111 tanks are useless to use because they are too long and you cant do a gunload with them on. The Sargent Fletcher tanks are shorter and you can do gunloads with them. I think the the factor that killed the idea was that neither type of tank has ballistic foam and is therefore forbiden from being used on a mission. |
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| Author: | Warthog [ 20 Jun 2003, 16:37 ] |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Let it slide, Goose. He seems like an all right dude, and you can blame his outburst on his being Canadian. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> "Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote> That's racist...And realy anoying that a A-10 pilot (I guest) do that to their admirator... And again sry Goose...That's just frustrating to see that the "kiling machine" can't be loaded with many weapons during real mission... Kill the innocents ! Kill them now !<img src="http://www.purekaos.com/board/images/smilies/rocket.gif" border=0> lol |
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