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Author:  cfisher30 [ 08 Sep 2004, 19:32 ]
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Does anyone know what the A-10 empty weight stall speed is?

Chris Fisher
Author:  D.B. [ 09 Sep 2004, 05:48 ]
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If it's empty, it's stall speed is 32 feet per second per second.

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db

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Author:  Hawg166 [ 09 Sep 2004, 07:48 ]
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Ha ha you funny guy !

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Author:  30mike-mike [ 09 Sep 2004, 11:03 ]
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I thought that was the fall speed, not the stall speed!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Author:  a10stress [ 09 Sep 2004, 13:19 ]
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Now you've done it. I took out my school books to get a ball park figure. Lemesee...Vstall=sqrt(295xweight/(wing area x Clmax))

Ball Park minimum flying weight = 26000 lb, wing area 506 sq ft, Clmax = 1.8 (guess)
so: Vstall = sqrt(295x26000/(506 x 1.8))= 92 knots

That seems too low, Oh well anybody got a dash one?

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Author:  Hawg166 [ 09 Sep 2004, 15:56 ]
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I do. But if I tell ya I have to kill you.

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Author:  Hawg166 [ 09 Sep 2004, 16:00 ]
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Try this; 80-166

basic weight 26,448
fuel 10,500
544 x 30mm @ 1.5 lbs per round
2 x ters @ 95 lbs each
1 x Pave Penny @ 30 lbs
1 x Lau117 @ 130 lbs
1 x TGM-65 @ 464 lbs

OK smarty pants you do the math.............<img src=newicons/anim_bow.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Author:  cfisher30 [ 09 Sep 2004, 17:38 ]
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Weeeellll looks like I found a tough question. Not trying to. I figured there would be an actual published stat. So can anyone tell me what the minimum approach speed might be? I will have a better idea from that.

Anyone know anyone from the 354th TFW in Myrtle from the late 80's?
Showing my age, I know but I am not that old........yet.

Chris Fisher
Author:  fenderstrat72 [ 09 Sep 2004, 17:54 ]
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I was stationed at the Beach from 1985 to closing. I worked EMS weapons release, AMQP, and 356th Green Demons.

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and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
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Author:  D.B. [ 09 Sep 2004, 19:04 ]
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I'll take a stab at it. Seat of the pants flying understand....
I'm gonna shoot for about 140 knts.

I know the OPSEC police will have a fit if we tell the -1 answer, but am I close????

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Author:  sgtgoose1 [ 09 Sep 2004, 21:36 ]
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BILLY TIME TO PUT THE OLD GIRL ON A DIET,SHE'S GAINED ABOUT 1300LBS OVER THE YEARS.<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Author:  Hawg166 [ 10 Sep 2004, 06:17 ]
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I dont think the speed is actually classified. I just think that I am to lazy to walk upstairs and get it.All right I did it. I will make sure I add 5 calories to my diet today to make up for all the energy I just used.
The -1 say 120 flaps down, 130 flaps up for a typical final approach. However I am sure that one of the pilot types will fill us in on the variations for given configurations.

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Author:  whiteside [ 10 Sep 2004, 08:36 ]
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I'm not a real big A10 Pilot bit I do play one.....................
Hey A10 drivers, what is your full flaps Final Approach speed (with min fuel, CLEAN)Hey DB you should be able to divide this number by 1.3 and come pretty close to the unaccellerated 1G stall speed.
Will
Author:  boomer [ 10 Sep 2004, 17:36 ]
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something I have NEVER understood <shaking head> I have these charts for F-15, AH-64 F-16 SR-71 and maybee half a dozen others, why would the A-10 (and others) data be such a pain to release when data for so called "top of the line" fighters have been public for years?

P.S. does anybody want to send me all the -1 charts for the A-10?
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Author:  sgtgoose1 [ 10 Sep 2004, 19:14 ]
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NO BUT I CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE STATS FOR THE CT-39 SABERLINER FROM MY OWN DASH-1

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Author:  boomer [ 10 Sep 2004, 22:07 ]
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Author:  Warthog30 [ 10 Sep 2004, 22:31 ]
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Final approach speed 130 + gas over 30,000#. Min run landing 10 knots below that. No idea what stall speed is. You know, civilian pilots worry about it but I can't remember ever even coming close. Willing to bet that not many AF pilots know or care too much...

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Author:  MICHAEL PIJAR [ 11 Sep 2004, 07:39 ]
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Author:  D.B. [ 11 Sep 2004, 21:19 ]
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I just realized when I took a stab with 140 knts I was thinking approach speed... not stall speed.
Actually I just read a for fun test question on the AVWEB website that dealt with stall speed and it reminded me of something I hadn't thought about.
Stall has less to do with speed and more to do with AOA.
That said, there isn't really a correct answer to the question.
Cheers
db

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Author:  MrMudd [ 11 Sep 2004, 22:01 ]
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Speed equates to the measure variable of Density Pressure @specific Altitude.

Their is a Speed, Climb, AOA, Fuel Flow Schedule for everything we do,

As W30 has said, Its not so much we dont really think or have concern for the Stall region.

Most of the aircraft we fly has Enclosures that were written in 1974-1980, The Aircraft have gained a great deal of weight in maintainance and upgrades through the years .

Next you had in "Feel and Preference"

The hardest point for me in TPS was unlearning Feel and Getting back to Force Feedback of gauges. Wsa even harder later as an instructor teaching the new Breed of TPS students.

This is what goes through my mind on approach:

When landing the real jet I look outside and just cross reference the insturments. I'll glance in at my AOA bracket to make sure I am on speed, and glance at the VASI pr PAPIs to make sure I am on glideslope, etc. I dont stare at my instruments all the way down. If I can see the runway, that is my primary focus with instruments backing me up for speed, AOA, etc.If the weather is really crappy then I fly instruments to a "T" until I see the runway and then its back to a visual landing. If I dont see the runway and I get to my decision height or MAP then I go around and try it again or divert.

Some of the reasons of the Higher approach speeds even when Configed clean and light, is that Turbines typically take 4 Seconds to burner, and another 15 Seconds to put on speed. So for us in jets haveing a slow approach speed could actuall be very deadly if you stall. With 250 Feet is the last place you want to open up the burner can and pray for a recovery. Thats a case for a Viper and F15, heavier andso forth is going to have a slower spool to climbout speeds.

Good case is after you pitch out and are in the Finals, that good rate of decent is going to be your decision factor of a good approach, it also allows the pilot to keep eyes on threshold and not on the Speed tape or TVV/FPM
I always prefer a 15+ over config speeds anda good extra 10 on that on the approach, Fields are long enough that if im too hot the 3/4 is good enough without Forcing a maintainer to Recock the arrestor
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Edited by - mrmudd on Sep 11 2004 9:05 PM
Author:  Warthog30 [ 12 Sep 2004, 15:59 ]
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Thanks, Mudd. Should've expanded on my response. What I meant to say is that I'm much more worried about AOA (and VVI (with high VVI I wouldn't be able to reef on the stick and add power to recover quickly. Always makes me nervous when students show me 5000 VVI in the final turn even if AOA is normal and I'm on speed. Can you say, "Accelrated Stall"?)) than stall speed. In the Hawg, I always flew final at 150 vs the bug (130 + gas) but never had to land on a runway shorter than about 8 grand...

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Author:  D.B. [ 12 Sep 2004, 16:08 ]
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Bullshit factor light seems to be glowing bright red.

How does that go?????
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

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How about pick you touchdown spot, adjust speed to maintain desired VVI and AOA.
Cheers
db

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Gen Colin Powell ret
Author:  MrMudd [ 12 Sep 2004, 16:16 ]
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When I Taught some of our TPS aircraft curriculm to students theres has been times that ive had a few guys try to hamfist a stick, In the Yak for example. The natural tendacy for a pilot is to opposite stick of the tip stall. That is deadly, historically the aircraft will end up on its back. So it is best to freeze the stick in the last position at that event, and apkly rudder and throttle for that manuever control, and all things being equal get oriented in the wind before you fold the mains and your spine hits the canopy.

I just like it hot, My O-ring has been blown out enough, don't know how much more i could take LOL!

I think my bottle is calling..happy thoughts..

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Author:  Warthog30 [ 12 Sep 2004, 16:42 ]
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Bullshit factor light seems to be glowing bright red.

How does that go?????
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

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How about pick you touchdown spot, adjust speed to maintain desired VVI and AOA.
Cheers
db

Can you be more specific??
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Author:  MrMudd [ 12 Sep 2004, 18:52 ]
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So DB would that be at High key or Low Key?

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