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I have the following questions..
Those questions relate to the Cold War situation in Europe.

1. When searching for a target and some columns would show up with SA-9's and ZSU-23-4's. How would an Warthog pilot find out what the SA-9 and ZSU-23-4 were. Is it possible to identify those targets from 2 to 3 kilometers.

2. What is the cruising height when the flight is in 15 within of FEBA?

3. What's the max pop-up altitude (above groundlevel) when an Maverick missile was used? And for a gun engagement?

Greetz

JanHas

wow..those are some in depth questions...why?

just sit back, and let the 30mm do the work!!!

I would suspect that it has to do with LOMAC.

"face it....perhaps your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others!"

1. Yes.
2. It depends.
3. See Question 2...

ATTACK!!!!!!!

1. Can anyone give me a more detailed insight in the hunting proces?

2. Depend's on what factors?

Also another question...

4. When (year) started the Hog to fly with ECM pods on it's wings? I have seen photo's from the early 80's flying them without the jammers.

5. When (year) did start to fly with AIM-9's?

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1. Can anyone give me a more detailed insight in the hunting proces?

2. Depend's on what factors?

Also another question...

4. When (year) started the Hog to fly with ECM pods on it's wings? I have seen photo's from the early 80's flying them without the jammers.

5. When (year) did start to fly with AIM-9's?


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JanHas, I don't know how much info you're going to get on tactics used by the A-10 in combat, we are pretty closed-lipped on stuff like that.

The A-10 started using the ECM as early as 1976 and the AIM-9 mod came about in the 1990 time-frame.

Ugly But Well Hung

4. What jammer was used with the 81st FW in Europe? The 119 or the 131.

Hey Jan, to be very polite I have to tell you that you will ot receive that information here. For one, because we have no idea who you are, and also because we dont know why you need that kind of tactical information. You need to be a little more forthcoming before you will get an answer. After that I am sure that all of us here from the Hog community will be glad to answer your questions within the scope of the operational security measures that we are accustomed to.
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By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a pearage or Westminster Abbey........Nelson

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ditto....
you have to understand that those are VERY detailed questions, and really stretch the limits of regular "hog wonders" why do you need to know this stuff anyway???

just sit back, and let the 30mm do the work!!!

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A little heads-up on myself. I live in The Netherlands and I'm 27 years old. 14 years ago I played A-10 Tank Killer (best game of the 90's) and I loved the Hog from that moment. The reason I ask these questions is because I'm very interested in the Cold War during the 80's in Europe. Germany (and the Fulda) is not so war away. Only a few years ago I heared that the Soviets seriously thought about starting a war in Europe in 1983. If that happend my country would probably have been run over, and that's why I still don't trust those Ruskies. The EU and Russian political situation is getting worse every day. That is also an trigger for me to observe them closely. Chance favours the prepared mind! The tactics have changed also;Desert Storm, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq -> Medium to high altitude.And I understand that this forum is not intended to tell any secrets. I just want to absorb more knowledge of the past, not the present or future (except when to Ruskies cross my border.. ), nothing more nothing less..

Is there some good reading material aviable regarding the Hogs in Europe during the Cold War?

Jan,

I'll step in here to save everyone the angst, after all it is sunday. Not a good way to start the week here.

Since i consulted for LOCKON and I know how the game was modeled. I'll give you some hints on what would be helpful and safe to develop a tactical picture of the battlefield.

Now Lockon is not modeled to be identical to the real operational parameters of an A10, it was designed to emmulate the experiance that a A10 pilot goes through in a simulated combat enviroment.

THE RWR in LOCKON is not identical to the real Hardware in the Jet. their is zero point in asking for tactics or Hardware detail info.

My recommendation upon first Contact of an emmiter is to get a Good 1 Mile Seperation from your wingman and Place that Emitter (keeps him from getting hurt and allows him to provide mutual support and lookout) on what we refer to as the 3 to 9 Line. This is your 3 O Clock to 9 O clock postion (wingtip to wingtip) What I like to do in the game is once an Emmiter such as a Shilka or a Tor begins to paint my aircraft and its ICon pops up on the RWR I immediatly turn 90 Degrees to the target, and i play a little game of Keeping the target on my wingtip and figuring out exactly where on the topography it exists. I continue my course and wait until the Target begins to fade around the RWR to the 5 or 7 o clock position. This does two things for me, It gives me more spacing and secondly helps me understand How far away in Distance I am from the Target. as I am flying this 90 Degree heading i am also more than likely parallel to the FEBA or their "Anti-Air" line of defense, I hold this heading for 15-20 Nm, IF i do not pick up any other contacts, I then 180back course to the emitter.

From here the Hunt Begins, Topgraphic analysis begins and i evaluate the terrain. What is the best ingress and egress route once i find a target. What is the best terrain feature to afford me suprise and cover. From here i modifly my plan and attempt to radius the target to assist me in fixing the target location, I also during this process begin to take note of where the surface threats could possibly take advantage and ambush me. This is where the Wingman and I begin to play the rope a dope game. By maintaining decent spacing this allows us to provide mutual supporting fire, and defense calls if engaged.

This is where the whole " it depends" argument comes into play.

The truth is, their is no real tactic, What is taught to aircrews is what i stated above, Mutual support and battlefield Survival fundementals. Engagement wise everything is modifiable and as your experiance increases and the teamwork becomes more cohesive the effectiveness of the flight begins to payoff.

None of this is possible without. Researching the Threat Enviroment, and understanding the advesarys hardware, Emplacement Strategy and general effectiveness on their employment. So this brings in to the "It Depends Argument"

Know Your threat Technically
Know your threat operationally
Evaluate the Terrain
Evaluate the Threat Posture

Once you understand your capabilities and what it is you can and cannot do in the enviroment. Its time to Either Make it happen or find a better option.

It depends.

You need to evaluate the enviroment and modeling of the game. What happens there is not the same as what happens in the realworld. Once you learn that mindset. You begin to understand that it is no Differnt for a real pilot. The tactical mindset is the hardest to teach.


"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Yeah what he said.

By this time tomorrow I shall have gained either a pearage or Westminster Abbey........Nelson

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Thanks MrMudd for your reply. <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I have another question. When on an mission with AAA and Sam's, and you run out on flares, without any sitaution that requires attention. Is it then re-arm / refuel or press-on until the ammo is depleted?

THATS WHEN YOU PRAY THAT A FLIGHT OF "WILD WEASELS" IS USING YOU FOR BAIT AND THE MISSLES ARE ON THE WAY!

THAT WAS A PROVEN TATIC IN DESERT STORM A-10 TO DRAW THE RADAR UP AND THEN THE F-4G'S TO BLAST'EM

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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JanHas, please post questions related to flight sims in the sim section from now on. I would lock this one but it's already has a number of replies so I will let it go...for now.

This section is for talking about the real A-10.

Ugly But Well Hung

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THATS WHEN YOU PRAY THAT A FLIGHT OF "WILD WEASELS" IS USING YOU FOR BAIT AND THE MISSLES ARE ON THE WAY!

THAT WAS A PROVEN TATIC IN DESERT STORM A-10 TO DRAW THE RADAR UP AND THEN THE F-4G'S TO BLAST'EM

MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.
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Goose we also Swapped Flight Callsigns, to sucker the Rocks.<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Dice man, I am refering to real world sit, not games! I CAN READ!!!

JanHas, I would suggest you cool your jets a bit. You arent going to get real world answers that involve active Hawg tactics. I am guessing that Dice assumed you were asking about flight sim things as we had a rash of folks trying to get answers to questions about LOMAC.

"face it....perhaps your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others!"

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MONEY TALKS,B.S. JUST PILES UP.

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Oke, fair enough.. I'll keep looking, but somewhere else. tnx for the info. Bye!



Edited by - JanHas on Dec 14 2004 1:40 PM

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Bye!


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WOW, I guess no responce is needed from me now. <img src=newicons/Whatever_anim.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ugly But Well Hung

I tried to be Nice....

Can Evil Mudd return now please?????

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

there are quite a few old articles to be had on the hog in during the cold war.. google might find a few online, but you'll prolly have to spend some money on a few good books <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Evil mudd is free to re-enter the building.

"face it....perhaps your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others!"