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I forgot until Dutchy's post,Its been 15 yrs since GW1 started, alot of us had already been there for 5 months.
I just remember getting the word the day after the "Blue injectors" were giving out when we were sitting in the tent the attack was going to start after MID Night,We put on our Chem gear,checked our masks and I looked over 166 again,loaded with 4 AGM 65D and clusters,
Rubbing her on the belly and telling her"Becareful and you know the way home Old Girl"
Now that sounds funny to alot of folks but you do get attached to Jets like folks do to Cars.

I always ended the Comm Cord with this
"Ok Sir(or BOSS), she's ready to go, BE SAFE,GOOD HUNTING,CHECK 6 and Dont worry She knows the way Home GOOD LUCK!"



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I was with the 1st Armored On the ground With My 3 TACP TEAMs.. we were working the battle edge Controlling 10 Miles plus in front of the armor, and ofton.... Faster than had ever been done before. (spent 8 years in the ov10) to apply the skill from a hummer!

We learned that doing things in the vietnam era procedures that a unit could be over ran in 15 minutes in 8km foot march distance.. we were exceding 40-75 Miles of Assualt distance. it was a nightmare preventing Blue on blue. The Apache-kiowa teams did allot to help us seperate the two CAS assets.

Thanks Goose For keeping Muddy and his boys safe.

"The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see their near and dear bathed in tears, to ride their horses and sleep on the white bellies of their wives and daughters."
-Genghis Khan

Edited by - thebigthug on Jan 17 2006 11:42 AM

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Wasnt just Me Mud, there were alot of us,Fender,Carl,Mac,just a few of us on the HOG that were there from the board.
"CAS for GAS" "TURN AND BURN"

Hey ! Who took my Maple nut cake?

If only they would of let us finish the job then


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I was sitting front in center in front of CNN waiting for the 3am kickoff time i just knew was coming.

Hehehe, now that was good theater.

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Snipers...and targets.</b>
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I go this topic. As I said I woke up this morning (Dutch time) and realised that it was 15 years ago. It is mine brothers birthday, so I remember it good. In that time I was 15.

Years later I met one of the two captured British Tornado pilots that were on tv, with beaten faces. You know all the scene from them that the Iraqis aks them questions and you see them thinking in the camera: "F#$% You!"

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Salute Dutchy
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You sould have been at the FOL at KKMC. Seems like all the higer ups were about to go nuts. The rest of us just wanted to get it over with.
Five months of just waiting and only just 3 more to go.
Man we about starved to death up at KKMC.I lost 22 lbs in 6 weeks
We had to choose between a shower or to eat and even then sometimes you would choose wrong. Either no food (unless you ate MREs)or no water. By the time you found out there was no water the chow hall had no food left.I think most of us took a shower every 2-3 days
CARL

Can someone tell me where to find the FMC rates for all fighters during DS1?

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

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I was SIX years old (First grade)at the time, that CNN footage was simply the most amazing! ( at the time). That was all we talked about in school I have bin a military enthusiast since. <img src=newicons/smiley_salute.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Though I Fly Through the Valley of
Death ... I Shall Fear No Evil. For I
am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing!
(Sign over the entrance to the old SR-71 operating base
Kadena,
Japan).

I did the same thing as Snipe. Frosh year of high shool. I sat down, figured out the deadline, the first new moon, figured the attack would start at 3 am, Baghdad time, and parked in front of CNN fifteen minutes before the show started. I spent that night with the radio on praying our guys would be okay, and glad the next day when things had gone beyond our wildest expectations. The next month in class I kept note of what time it was in Iraq, sitting at my desk thinking,"It's getting dark, and now the Iraqis are really going to get hammered, again."

Admit nothing...
Deny everything...
Make counter-accusations.

Sheesh, 15 years!!!

I was 8. Remeber everyone losing their minds back in the states (I was near Detroit) buying gas masks and rations. Even at 8 years old I had the common sense to figure out (and find the right answers) that SaDamn didn't have the capabilitiy to reach us. That was also around the time my Grandpa gave me my first airplane model, <img src=newicons/icon_hog.gif border=0 align=middle> Who would've thought I'd be working on the real thing fighting in the same areas 10 years later.

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Goose, Fender, Carl, Mac, Thug, and all the others.... Thanks for opening the first can 'O Whoop-ass. Glad my boys and gals (Kirkuk 2003) and I (Kuwait 2001, Afghanistan, 2001, 2003-2004) could help clean up some of the leftovers!

You might be a "Bulldog" if: You bend over and grab your ankles when you hear: "EXERCISE, EXERCISE, EXERCISE!"

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Lets not forget it also began the resurrection of the Hog. Prior to GW1, the A-10 was scheduled for the boneyard. Goose, as I recall, Barnes had already started dispersing airframes and had their school F-16's, Bradley had all their tail numbers identified and where they were coming from. Syracuse had already converted to the lawn dart and had coined the phrase "Fast Ass CAS", talk about an oxymoron. Both Bradley and Barnes had people at various tech schools/HOT and all was set..and then word came down..the conversion was cancelled. Seems that, much to the Air Force's chagrin, the A-10 worked and was kicking ass, the Generals were learning high and fast wasn't the only way to fight.

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Carl,

You didnt need to loose weight back then, I lost over 35lbs (at KFIA
I needed too,and Moby was in the CO's office fixing to get busted for the FATBOY program until we got the word we were going to Desert Shield,I got warned too I was running about 10 lbs over(190lbs and just got caught.
Walking back and fourth from the south end to CELL BLOCK,Man that was a God's send!.I left at 154 lbs.
I was coming back from KKMC when you were heading to KKMC,we ate at the Saudi Chowhall more than Our Chow hall.
But water was always a problem,so were showers but you guys had it alot worst.

The KKMC boys BUSTED ASS FOLKS, they turned about everything there was plus saw alot more damaged hogs and other fighters than anyother place in AOR.

Carl ,you should post some of those pics you sent me,

I just know the Night of the ATTACK the sky was so DAMN FULL OF JETS GOING NORTH that it looked like a CHRISTMAS TREE MOVING ACROSS THE SKY!,Everything you could think of was in the air and the AIR WAS FULL OF ENGINE NOISE.

I bet that those Iraqi radar operators were SHITTING THEIR PANTS when their screens lite-up! but the next morning it didnt matter
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Scratch one for the "Gattlin Goose"!
Coach, that was one of ROOT's first mission's over there.

I still even after everything else GW1 was the HOGS HAY-DAY!, 148
A-10'S looked like the boneyard does now,but these puppies were flying!

But The OLd Hog is still kicking ASS! just doing more with less.


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Fender,

I think its somewhere in one of those Digest,I'll have to look it up,but The A-10's had the higgest FMC rate (80-0166 was 96.4%) ,the most damaged and lost craft too
I'll look it up.

Goose

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Thanks Goose. Some joker on another site I go to said the Lawn
Dart had the highest FMC rate and I don't believe it.

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

I just looked it up,the FMC rate was 87.7% FMC, was recorded as the lowest loss rate of any other per 1000 combat sorties flown at a 0.5% against the coalition's average of 13% for every 1000 combat sorties.
A-10 WAS CREDITED WITH DESTORYING 987 Tanks 25% of all Destoryed, or 25%,And between 25% to 30% of everything else(APC,TRUCKS,ART.,AAA)

16.5 % of all strike sorties flown 19,545.Loss of only 4 jets
(P.Smith book)

So THROW THEM A BONE!,ask them too "Who refueled their Jets?"When they were in those Comfy dorms.

If you cant go fast-GO UGLY!




(I know I'm bragging,give the Santa Goose a pass)

Goose


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Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jan 18 2006 6:08 PM

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Do you have the rates for the Lawn Dart?

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

I'll have to look somemore, what was there's their telling you?
But you have to remember that FMC rate reflects atlot of ABDR,if you took out the "Sick Hog's" it had to be better than that.
I know several days we launched every jet we had,that was a COOL SITE.

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Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jan 18 2006 2:00 PM

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Goose basically someone is saying the Lawn Dart had the best FMC rate during DS1. I say B/S. I am not saying it was the A-10, just not the F-16.

Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

I'd like to see their Numbers, if it had the highest FMC rate they should be able Quote you one.

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Goose here is what the guy posted. I have asked him to provide some proof of his FMC rate claim.


<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>It's been fifteen years since we were all glued to out televisions watching CNN during the Gulf War (even those of us who were deployed...) Those 42 days were probably one of the highest points of the F-16's career, with more aircraft flying more sorties - with a much better FMC rate - than anything else in the air.

The pilots and 24 (give or take) aircraft of the 401TFW(P) / 614TFS flew 1303 sorties, dropping 3.7 million pounds of bombs while deployed to Doha, Qatar from our home at Torrejon AB, Spain.
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Fender
"A woman drove me to drink
and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
W.C. Fields

Fender,

I still dont see where that gives him the "BRAGGING RIGHTS" just because him or someone else said so.
"Much better FMC rate of anything in the air"
LETS SEE FACTS! , so they dropped 3.1 million bombs,he doesnt want to compare that to our load outs, their were almost 300 F-16'S in the AOR,compared to our 140, we flew almost 17% of total combat sorties of ALL AIRFRAMES,plus WE KILLED 25% of ALL ARMOUR, and 25-30% of EVERYTHING ELSE(AAA,ART,TRUCKS,APC's, 100%HELO KILLS) compared to ALL THE AIRFRAMES IN AOR.

Their squadron might of had the highest of the F-16'S but I dont think of ALL airframes.

He needs ##########

Plus how does 140 hogs destroy 25% of everything,so how much did 300 LawnDarts Kill ?

Let him "FMC" all day long,you got numbers and kills to back you up.


Goose

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Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jan 19 2006 6:52 PM

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The only F-16s i saw landed at KKMC for Quick turns., Their ground crews just bitched and whined 24/7 about all the mud and gravel on our taxiways. This was the saddest group i have ever ran across. They couldnt even put their own tents up wanted us to do it for them.A LOT of these guys slept in a supply tent on shelves for several days.Oh almost forgot bitched about not having beer at the FOl(think they had came up from Qatar) But they did turn a jet ever now and again( I even got lucky enough to get a pic of one!)And it only has 2 bombs

Wow..look at all the resentment.. guess im happy the 27th TASS didnt bring Broncos and just gave us to the Army... we had to steal our hummers from the Bahrain Docks..

We didnt have anything to bitch about....To fatigued to be upset.

...and for that, we dont hear anyone cussing the cricket...

"The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see their near and dear bathed in tears, to ride their horses and sleep on the white bellies of their wives and daughters."
-Genghis Khan

Edited by - thebigthug on Jan 19 2006 8:37 PM

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Just call em like we see em. No really we all had a job to do. Some of them came down to look the A-10 over we went up to look at the DARTS.(Ugly little gray things)
Oh you know how it is,your jets allways better that someone elses
BUT I REALLY DO THINK WE OUT FLEW EM

Hey we had a stolen M-35. NO motor pool would work on the damn thing. Everytime it broke we had to steal parts off of broken ARMY trucks on the side of tapline rd, and it was always broke down (Fuel pump, head gasket, flat tyres, windshield wipers,water pump, door) all within a 6 week period

, The Lawndart Pilots we got to even know some of them by call sign,Hot-pitting them every night,I even talked to "SLIM's" Brother-in-Law (Dart Driver out of Moody)on the pits
But after turning wrenches the whole shift on Hogs then becoming a "Lawndart Quicky Mart" got old but it wasnt until they started sending F-16 ground crews-up to KFIA to take over Hot-pitting you heard the "Crying" about the conditions.They were PISS'ED-OFF!
They were mad they had to come to KFIA they couldnt figure out why we couldnt just keep doing it.
Well we had 2 FOLS plus KFIA to man and it was getting short handed.
So just like Carl said them up at KKMC and KFIA werent happy.

But they always seem to forget that Part.

Goose






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