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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007, 00:41 
Pentagon abandons active-duty time limit

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON - The
Pentagon has abandoned its limit on the time a citizen-soldier can be required to serve on active duty, officials said Thursday, a major change that reflects an Army stretched thin by longer-than-expected combat in
Iraq.

The day after
President Bush announced his plan for a deeper U.S. military commitment in Iraq, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters the change in reserve policy would have been made anyway because active-duty troops already were getting too little time between their combat tours.

The Pentagon also announced it is proposing to Congress that the size of the Army be increased by 65,000, to 547,000 and that the Marine Corps, the smallest of the services, grow by 27,000, to 202,000, over the next five years. No cost estimate was provided, but officials said it would be at least several billion dollars.

Until now, the Pentagon's policy on the Guard or Reserve was that members' cumulative time on active duty for the Iraq or Afghan wars could not exceed 24 months. That cumulative limit is now lifted; the remaining limit is on the length of any single mobilization, which may not exceed 24 consecutive months, Pace said.

In other words, a citizen-soldier could be mobilized for a 24-month stretch in Iraq or
Afghanistan, then demobilized and allowed to return to civilian life, only to be mobilized a second time for as much as an additional 24 months. In practice, Pace said, the Pentagon intends to limit all future mobilizations to 12 months.

Members of the Guard combat brigades that have served in Iraq in recent years spent 18 months on active duty — about six months in pre-deployment training in the United States, followed by about 12 months in Iraq. Under the old policy, they could not be sent back to Iraq because their cumulative time on active duty would exceed 24 months. Now that cumulative limit has been lifted, giving the Pentagon more flexibility.

The new approach, Pace said, is to squeeze the training, deployment and demobilization into a maximum of 12 months. He called that a \"significant planning factor\" for Guard and Reserve members and their families.

A senior U.S. military official who briefed reporters Thursday on Iraq-related developments said that by next January, the Pentagon \"probably will be calling again\" on National Guard combat brigades that previously served yearlong tours in Iraq. Under Pentagon ground rule, the official could not be further identified.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, appearing with Pace, announced several other changes in Guard and Reserve policy:

_Although the Pentagon's goal is to mobilize Guard and Reserve units no more frequently than one year out of six, the demands of wartime will require calling up some units more often than that. They provided no details on how many units would be remobilized at the faster pace or when that would begin to happen.

Army officials had been saying for some time that more frequent mobilizations were necessary because the active-duty force is being stretched too thin. Gates' announcement is the first confirmation of the change.

_To allow for more cohesion among Guard and Reserve units sent into combat, they will be deployed as whole units, rather than as partial units or as individuals plugged into a unit they do not normally train with.

_Extra pay will be provided for Guard and Reserve troops who are required to mobilize more than once in six years; active-duty troops who get less than two years between overseas deployments also will get extra pay. Details were not provided.

_Military commanders will review their administration of a hardship waiver program \"to ensure that they have properly taken into account exceptional circumstances facing military families of deployed service members.\"

As part of Bush's plan for boosting U.S. troop strength in Iraq, a brigade of National Guard soldiers from Minnesota will have its yearlong tour in Iraq extended by 125 days, to the end of July, and a Patriot missile battalion will be sent to the Persian Gulf next month, the Army said Thursday.

Maj. Randy Taylor, a spokesman for the 3rd Battalion, 43rd Air Defense Artillery Regiment, at Fort Bliss, Texas, said the Patriot unit was aware of the announced deployment. He said no formal order had been received Thursday.

The dispatching of a Patriot missile battery, capable of defending against shorter-range ballistic missile attacks, appeared linked to Bush's announcement Wednesday that he ordered an aircraft carrier strike group to the Middle East, which would be in easy reach of
Iran, whose nuclear program is a U.S. concern.

Navy officials said the carrier heading to the Gulf region is the USS John C. Stennis, which previously had been in line to deploy to the Pacific. It was not clear Thursday how the Pentagon intended to compensate in the Pacific for the absence of the Stennis in that region, where a chief worry is
North Korea.

The Marines announced that two infantry units — the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, and the 1st Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment — will stay in Iraq 60 to 90 days longer than scheduled. That will enable the Marines to have a total of eight infantry battalions in western Anbar province, instead of the current six, by February. Once the 60- to 90-day extension is over, an additional two battalions will be sent in early from their U.S. bases.

Also, the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which combines infantry with a helicopter squadron and a logistics battalion, totaling about 2,200 Marines, will stay in Anbar for 45 more days.

Those extensions conform with Bush's announcement that he was ordering 4,000 more Marines to Anbar.

The military tries to avoid extending combat tours and sending forces earlier than planned because it disrupts the lives of troops and their families and makes it harder for the services to get all troops through the education and training programs they need for promotions. But in this case it was deemed unavoidable.


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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007, 15:51 
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Well there goes \"Rummy's\" Total Force Policy\"
Lets strip the Active Duty and making them \"Smaller,Faster,more Technologically based\" and use the Guard and Reserves to supply the other almost 50% for support.

We wont be fighting anymore \"Long ,drawn-out wars,just small minor conflicts or engagements \" I think thats somewhat along how he phrased it then.
I hope he can sleep at night.

Lets see how many of these Guard and Reserve troops can find a Job now with this kind of \"Policy\".

I'll have to get my Labor Law books out but, I think that with this new policy change unless Congress changes the law ,Employers wont have to hold their Jobs anymore.I wonder what it'll fall under.
1. National Defense (Defending the country against attack from overseas)
2. Military Readiness (Troops on stand-by)
3. Recall to Active Duty (To serve full time in the Armed forces with no end commitment date) I mean by that \"When does the employee return home and back to work?

Employers are only required to hold your Job so long depending on the grounds of your \"Call-up\".
If your Job is considered Critical,to the running of the Company
They can then \"Replace you\" and when you return their only required to \" give you consideration for a job opening\" but not required to \"Give you a job\"
Thats why you see all these \"Labor Department \" Discrimination Complaints against Employers when troops come home. Which is up over 300% since the War has started. Sorry to say, their not winning alot of them.

Most Union Companies, had a clause stating \"If you are called to Active Duty or Join -up,after working your initial 90 days at the end of your time you'll be awarded Seniority and retirement benefits based on time served
but,you have to wait for the next opening.

Case in point ,we had Navy retiree who joined after 1 year after he started,came back 25 years later. The Company gave him a job,he still had to go thru his Union probation again but after was given his 26 years of Seniority towards retirement and plant time.
Piss'ed some folks off but Hey, its in the contract, and when they wanted people to take \"Early retirement \" he walked with 33 years worth of benefits for really only 7 years at work.

Not bad either,when you have 5 weeks vacation after your first year back too(Normally takes 20 yrs in the plant for 5 weeks)

But then I sat in on a Grievance with a Employee who was a Air Guard member who was serving his 2 weeks a year when about 10 years ago we had those Floods,so he stayed on volunteering to help, 30 days became 6 months then he Volunteered again for another 6 months.
Since he was a Guardsman on the State time not on Active Federal service the company said they weren't \"Required to keep him employed \" gave him the choice \"Return to work or be terminated\" 1 year was enough.
I asked \"He has 30 days of leave he earned from the State, plus his 2 week training coming up what then?\"
They replied \"He has had a year,thats it time to choose, we'll go with the 2 weeks of training but no \"Leave time\".

We had a closed doors meeting of the Union Board and lets just say \"Their wasnt alot of PRO-Military\" in the room\".
I went too \"Cooties \" (Thats what we called him) told him what was said and we got him 7 days grace to decide so he just resigned and is a Full timer in the Guard now.

So Congress is going to have to give these folks PROTECTION and FORCE EMPLOYERS to give them their jobs back ,and give them Financial help if they run their own business to of set any looses occurred such as ie,
They run a Shop, and have contracts to fill and are called away, They need to be able to finish those contracts .

Its a Slippery mess.

Sorry it took so long but its a Serous matter with major impacts on lives.

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007, 15:56 
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sgtgoose1 wrote:
Lets see how many of these Guard and Reserve troops can find a Job now with this kind of "Policy".


Let's see how many Guardsmen re-up.

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They'll just get back door Drafted.

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M21 Sniper wrote:
Pentagon abandons active-duty time limit

and a Patriot missile battalion will be sent to the Persian Gulf next month, the Army said Thursday.


So can patriots shoot down RPGs now??!?!?! What is a Patriot battalion needed for?

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They'll just get back door Drafted.

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And to think I was thinking about joining the Guard if I end up getting a job in St Louis....thinking twice about that now...

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007, 21:11 
Obviously they'll be getting used in a role they're not intended for.


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The Patriot missile battalion , is for protection against the
\"Iranian Missile Threat \" or the one someone is having \"Dreams about\"


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sgtgoose1 wrote:
The Patriot missile battalion , is for protection against the
"Iranian Missile Threat " or the one someone is having "Dreams about"


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"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life."

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my point exactly......I know we are the "strongest" military, but honestly guys...do we think we could take on Iran at the moment? Iran by itself, with no media, sure we could...but how we have to fight wars now, "politically correct" wars,...yeah, I know we would win, but it would be bloody...

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