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Tomcat has been in some good discussions as of late, so I figured I'd post a few pics of Tomcats favorite bird...

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f14.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f14_01.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f14_06.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f18_01.jpg" border=0>
Very special to Tomcats heart <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>(Sorry, couldn't resist)

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f14_07.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://prkii.a-10.org/f14_08.jpg" border=0>

<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>



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Edited by - prkiii on Feb 08 2003 07:26 AM

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Man you brought tears to my eyes prkii...........
I am touched, lol. Good pics. Thanks for posting them.


If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!

that first one's a fake! You can see the string holding it up <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Nice picks prkiii

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Boomer are you using photo shop again?<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

As for those pics: Man, the cold war, those were the days.
However, I must wonder if there was a catostrophic engine explosion after coming out of Mach. I've seen and read those oocurances happening with that specific plane.
Wonder how many Tom's we have left in service?

*I especially like the 3rd pic from the bottom.

There are over 200 Tomcats left in service.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Does that # pertain to the F-14A's that are retiring now?



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 09 2003 2:27 PM

All of them.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

It's possible the F-14 breaking mach flying by the carrier deck (crew on F-18 and F-14) was taken from PBS's "Carrier: Fortress at Sea." During that fly-by, one of the engines did indeed explode, providing a rather spectacular fireball rolling through the sky. Both crew ejected without any reported injury, and were both flying shortly thereafter.

A sucking chest wound is life's way of telling you to slow down...

Tritonal........
Why don't you elaborate on your statement.......
It has happend a couple of times, with the GE-F110 powerplant, and one one of those occasions took the life of a legend in the Tomcat communtiy. Captain Scott "Scooter" Lamouruex Sr.
His son by the way (a friend of mine) flies for the VF-2 "Bounty Hunters" and proudly continues in the F-14D were his father left off.

Go Bullets!

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Edited by - Tomcat Tweaker on Feb 09 2003 9:52 PM

These Photos are Clearly a FAKE!!!!!

If you look closely to the F14 it is clearly a 1/72 scale model If you look even closer to the White matter surrounding the model. It is clearly COTTON!!!



These pictures show proof that the Tomcat was actually fired through a Blowgun. Now if the NAvy would just invest in Frog poison. well then they would actually be more effective in combat, dip the Tomcat in Poison..Load it into the USS Missouri's 16" and Pow nock them Bears outta the sky!!!

Now the Super Bug...Shes a Sexy little Bugger.

Tomcat = BLOWDART!!!!

"Bow Chika Bow Bow

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LOL, ah- i feel the flame war a comin

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Hey...isn't the right engine shut down on that Super Hornet? Or is it just the shutter speed they used? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ted

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BTW I wouldent touch Photo shop with a ten foot belgian. I'm a Paint Shop Pro guy <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Fighting For Justice With Brains Of Steel !
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Hey Thug go chug a cold frosty glass of shut the F*&CK Up, then get back on your meds, and crawl back into that sleazy sh&t hole you emerged from.

If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!

Tomcat:

This is an article from a pilot whose flown D-models and Superhornets. Needless to say, He has nothing but positive things to say about their new strike fighter. It is a good read in viewing the capabilities of the Bombcat.


<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> The "Thief Of Baghdad" was marked as NG 212 while in VF-24. It was the last F-14B manufactured before the Grumman production line switched to the F-14D. The "Thief" was later transferred to VF-101 at NAS Oceana in late 1991. Shortly thereafter, the "Thief" exploded in flight while on a supersonic training mission over the Atlantic, killing the pilot and RIO instantly. Debris was spread over a mile of ocean.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

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Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 10 2003 3:01 PM

Tritonal, from your article....

"During our practice for the air-to-mud mission, we discovered that the F-14B's bigger, more powerful GE-F110 engines held another advantage besides improved dogfighting prowess - they allowed us to carry heavy loads at low altitudes at ludicrous speeds. Flying as low as we are, the "enemy" radars in the area will not be able to pick us up until we are almost on top of the target."

"We're approaching the target from behind a small hill. For this attack we plan to do a "high pop" delivery on the target - climbing rapidly to altitude, then tipping over into a dive-bombing attack to improve our accuracy."

"Just a few seconds later our gaggle of Tomcats reaches the pull-down altitude to begin our dive bombing run. The 'Bs big motors have kept us cookin' all the way up hill, and we roll inverted and pull over the top at 4 'g.'"

"Banging out some more chaff off-target, our RWR gear was now starting to pick up the scans of some SAM radars in the area. We were back in the dive, heading for a line of hills that we could hide behind. Our speed was back up to over 600 KIAS, and we were putting the target area and its pissed-off residents behind us as quickly as possible."

"Suddenly one of the other Bombcat crews yelled "break left!" As we started to roll up into a steep left bank I got a tally on a pair of A-4F Skyhawks at our 9 o'clock, wrapped up in a high 'g' turn as they swung in on a pure-pursuit course. Seeing them, and knowing our speed advantage relative to the A-4s, I told Cracker to "continue, continue" (to roll out and run from the Skyhawks). Turning with them would just tie us up in the hostile skies of the target area and make us grapes for the SAMs and any F-16Ns that might be in the area. I knew that with our already high speed and potential to go even faster, the old Skyhawks had no chance to complete their energy-depleting intercept and get a shot off at us. They would be bled-down from their high 'g' turn and too slow to catch us. Discretion would be the better part of valor.

As we accelerated away from the A-4s, they rapidly shrank away in our canopy, like a reverse-show of the S-3 incident a few moments earlier. Coincidentally, when we came off-target, two of our Bombcats wound up in trail of us and the A-4s apparently never saw them. The Skyhawk rolled out right in front of our trailing wingmen and in so doing became meat on the table. Screaming up behind the A-4s like two freight trains, the trailing F-14Bs selected Sidewinder and each put a simulated AIM-9 up the tailpipe of of the two pursuing Skyhawks. Score two for the Bombcats."

This article clearly demonstrates time and again the inherent advantadges of the high Power to wieght ratio of the F-14B/D and the advantadge of it's VSG wings.

In the exact same scenario a Hornet will ingress at a much lower speed, climb to release altitude at a much slower rate, and also egress at a much slower rate.

F-18F's wouldn't by able to outrun the aggressors like the F-14B's did, nor rapidly close the gap to score Heater kills as the trail F-14's did.

"Everyone who flew in that exercise could see that the concept of using the Tomcat as a strike platform was going to work, and work well."

Yup.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>In the exact same scenario a Hornet will ingress at a much lower speed, climb to release altitude at a much slower rate, and also egress at a much slower rate.

F-18F's wouldn't by able to outrun the aggressors like the F-14B's did, nor rapidly close the gap to score Heater kills as the trail F-14's did.

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Depends which facts you read<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Sure they sacrifice dash capability, but apparently that doesn't phase them. Superhornet's have a whole bunch of capabilities that increase their survivalbility; don't ask me what, those in the know won't tell, but they do swear by them.


The more I read about it the more I'm sold on the Super Hornet, both E/F models.

And is it surprising that the same person who wrote this article stated that he would rather go to war in the Superhornet than a Tom- Go figure.



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 10 2003 5:23 PM

Um, how is power to wieght ratio interpretable based on opinion???

You either have excess specific thrust, or you don't. The F-18E/F don't.

And i read the article, he didn't say a damned thing about the Bug.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Edited by - m21 Sniper on Feb 10 2003 5:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Um, how is power to weight ratio interpretable based on opinion???

You either have excess specific thrust, or you don't. The F-18E/F don't.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I heard some statemennets, coming from the same author, that most of the publicly released stats are doubtful at best on the Hornet.

And if the facts are of power-weight true, it really doesn't seem to bother them.


Good article though,
He didn't say anything about the Bug because it was about the TOMCAT<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 10 2003 5:46 PM

Well that can be said about anything- for the figures not being 'right'.

Same is also true for the big mouth Viper's. I happen to know that they produce 31,000lbs of thrust- not the 29k they are rated for...

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

I can understand fully your skeptisism of the plane. You read documented specs from one place and it doesn't jive with another person whose praising the plane.
That also confused me when I had my doubts, then I had the privelege of getting a class by two people who are currently in the new Super Hornet projects. it opened my eyes, though I am still a "Doubting Tom"


31,000 for one jet engine is impressive.

As i have said all along, you are entitled to your opinion bro.

We should get together sometime and argue the merits of the F-14 v F-18 on I-95 at 150 mph--- add a little flair to the conversation,lol!

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Well, while going 150mph on I-95, I can't see having any other conversation with the exception of talking about two high performance fighter jets.

Not the Pike though-those pesky tolls!!!





Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 10 2003 8:14 PM

LOL

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Man, tritonal........you have no honor my friend. This was supposed to be a thread to honor the all mighty Tomcat, and you and Boomer have to start in on your youth Nazi Super Hornet B.S.

I am gonna start another thread and we are gonna have the mother of all debates regarding the F-14D v. Super Hornet.

Hold on to your collective A$%'s cause there are no points for second place...........

If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!