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PostPosted: 29 Apr 2003, 10:23 
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'Anti-war' four boost euro-role
Four European Union countries which opposed the war in Iraq have ended a mini-summit in Brussels by announcing closer defence ties.
The leaders of France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg say their plans include creating a joint military planning system by next year and a multinational headquarters for European military operations where Nato is not involved.

They also intend to set up their own rapid reaction force. They want to launch a European Security and Defence Union, which others would be encouraged to join.


The transatlantic partnership remains an essential strategic priority for Europe
Joint statement
The BBC's Chris Morris in Brussels says Europe's anti-war coalition has put down its marker for the future - it wants the EU to have a stronger, more effective defence capability, and the four are prepared to go it alone to begin with if they have to.

The four countries attending the Brussels summit had been accused of running an anti-Nato, anti-US summit which excluded Europe's pro-war nations.

The four have denied the charges, insisting that their plans are not intended as a snub to Nato.

A statement issued by the leaders after their talks in Brussels stressed that Nato remained a cornerstone of European defence policy.

'New steps'

"The transatlantic partnership remains an essential strategic priority for Europe," said the statement.

But they did make clear they were seeking closer ties between EU members.

"The time has come to take new steps in the construction of a Europe of security and defence based on strengthened European military capabilities, which will also give a new vitality to the Atlantic alliance," the statement said.


We won't accept, and neither will the rest of Europe, anything that either undermines Nato or conflicts with the basic principles of European defence we've set out
Tony Blair,
UK Prime Minister
The EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, and the country currently holding the EU presidency, Greece, did not attend the summit.

Nato spokesman Yves Brodeur welcomed the commitment to the alliance, but said there were concerns.

"But we are concerned about how extra capabilities will be delivered without extra resources, and we are also concerned about the risk of unnecessary duplication," Mr Brodeur said.

Hopes that Europe was ready to move closer to a common defence and foreign policy have been left in tatters by the Iraq war, which polarised the EU into pro- and anti-war camps.

Summit doubters

The mini-summit had been accused of risking a worsening of the rift - and critics pointed out that it had excluded the EU's biggest military power, the UK.

The UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, attempted on Monday to play down the summit's significance.

"We won't accept, and neither will the rest of Europe, anything that either undermines Nato or conflicts with the basic principles of European defence we've set out," he said.

Italy, Spain and the Netherlands had also expressed reservations.

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Published: 2003/04/29 15:51:39

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Here we are, with the french <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle> and of course these two powerful countries belgium and luxembourg. Global power, eh?


Rapid-Reaction force??? ROFLMAO. Thats really funny!


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LOL! They're forming a defense force that's anti-war. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> I bet this will be the beginning of the end of NATO, even though they claim it won't be.


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I feel for you Homer32.


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Thanx Hogdawg.

I´m gonna sell my German nationality on E-Bay. At least I will try
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Frances rapid reaction force? Well you stick to what you do best, so it looks like they'll start taking pride in how quickly they can surrender.

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LOL
Rapid Surrendering Force, that´s it!!



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There is a reason the elite of the French military is the FORIEGN legion, afterall.

Cause guys named pierre and renee are pussies.

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LOL that adds some more to the pussy-list:

1. Arabs
2. guys named pierre and renee

to be continued...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Oh No!!!!

The Germans who we thumped (twice) are teaming up with the French, that they thumped, along with Europes version of the Banana Republic. I see a budding "Super Alliance" in the works, this should increase defense spending. lol.

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Just admit that you´re scared to death!!!
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Yeah America is scared, the Celebs representing our country...Farooq & Bradshaw. Bet thier terrified of David Hasselhoff & Jerry Luis. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


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David Hasselhoff´s got this dangerous car.
And I´m scared of him because of his singing...<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
He´s got a lot of fans in Germany, though.





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Here's something interesting.


Antiwar Trio Says Iraq's Future Is What Counts
Leaders Try to Repair Relations With Allies

By Sharon LaFraniere
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, April 12, 2003; Page A29


ST. PETERSBURG, Russia, April 11 -- The leaders of Russia, France and Germany today attempted to patch up deep differences with the United States and Britain over Iraq, saying after a meeting here that what mattered now was addressing the humanitarian crisis and the apparent anarchy besetting the country.

Conferring just two days after the fall of Baghdad, the three heads of state generally avoided restating their opposition to the war. But they stood by their position that the United Nations, not U.S. and British forces, should oversee Iraq's reconstruction.

French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder told reporters that they wanted to end the division of the world's major countries into pro- and antiwar camps. "Even in bad things we can find good, and we are glad the dictatorship fell," said Chirac, who was the fiercest opponent of military action against the deposed Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein.

Schroeder said, "This military victory was aimed at helping the entire Iraqi people. I do not want to speak about the past."

Still, tensions over the war were evident, especially in remarks by Russian President Vladimir Putin. "The only goal . . . was and is the disarmament of Iraq and the attempt to find weapons of mass destruction," Putin said at a news conference tonight at the exclusive Grand Hotel. "As we know, nothing was found, and even at the last moment of their struggle for survival, the regime did not use them. . . . What does this mean? What was the military action for?"

Putin displayed some pique in his response to a Bush administration suggestion that Russia, France and Germany write off some or all of the debts Iraq owes them. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, said Thursday that the loans had helped Hussein build palaces and maintain instruments of repression.

Putin implied that creditors were being asked to forgo repayment to free up money for postwar reconstruction in Iraq. "Somebody was shooting a little, looting a little, and now somebody has to pay for it," he said. "It always happens like this."

Still, Putin said he was prepared to renegotiate the $8 billion owed to Russia, a step that would give Iraq some financial breathing room. Schroeder and Chirac said the matter should be handled by the Paris Club, a group of creditor nations that oversees debt restructurings.

Both Germany and France so far have responded cautiously to U.S. suggestions on Thursday that allies contribute money and peacekeeping troops for postwar Iraq. Chirac said tonight that France wants "to ask our friends to accept our help in providing humanitarian aid." But he said security would be the responsibility of the U.S. and British forces.

Schroeder said Germany would contribute funds to Iraq but only through the United Nations. He expressed dismay at the widespread looting underway in Iraqi cities, saying, "This has to be stopped."

All three leaders reiterated their stance that U.N. oversight would give Iraq's reconstruction much-needed international legitimacy, citing Afghanistan as an example. "The longer we delay the solution of the problem in the U.N., the more it will resemble a colonial situation," Putin said.

Bush has said the U.N. should play a "vital" role in post-war Iraq but has not defined it.

Sergei Prikhodko, a top foreign policy adviser to Putin, said the three leaders had gathered to find a "nonconfrontational" way to cooperate with the United States and Britain over Iraq. Putin and Schroeder meet annually at this time of year in St. Petersburg; Chirac decided to come at the last minute.

French and German officials said they want to take time to reach an informal broad agreement with the United States and Britain over the U.N.'s role, so as to avoid the kind of divisive public fight that took place in the U.N. Security Council before the war.

The three leaders said that they also discussed other trouble spots, including North Korea. A top official with the Russian Foreign Ministry said today that Russia may rethink its opposition to international sanctions against North Korea if it appears the government there is contemplating the production of nuclear weapons.

Correspondent Robert J. McCartney in Paris contributed to this reports.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... -2003Apr11¬Found=true

Russia seems to have their own war on terrorism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Apr25.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... Found=true

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Apr17.html

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/doc/HotNews.html





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