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PostPosted: 27 Jan 2004, 08:10 
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January 27, 2004
France Makes Headway in Push to Permit Arms Sales to China
By CRAIG S. SMITH

ARIS, Jan. 26 — France pushed the European Union on Monday to lift a 14-year ban on weapons sales to China and succeeded in putting the issue on the organization's agenda for the spring.

"The hope is that it will happen in April," said a French diplomatic official after a meeting of European Union foreign ministers in Brussels. He noted, however, that several influential European countries favor maintaining the ban.

The embargo was imposed in response to the Chinese military's killing of pro-democracy demonstrators near Tiananmen Square in 1989. The United States imposed a similar embargo. But France and Germany have both argued that China has made sufficient strides since then in reforming its government and economy to warrant the resumption of weapons sales.

"When you look at the countries subject to similar E.U. sanctions, the question is whether China should be in the same company," the French official said. Besides China, the European Union maintains weapons embargoes against Myanmar, Sudan and Zimbabwe.

But France's effort, coming as the country received the Chinese president, Hu Jintao, with a lavish ceremony, was derided by some officials, who argue that China's human rights abuses remain too glaring to overlook. "A desire to curry favor with the Chinese president during his state visit to France is no excuse for rethinking a long-standing European policy rooted in principle," Graham Watson, head of the Liberal Democrats in the European Parliament, said in a statement.

In fact, France stands to benefit handsomely if it succeeds in ending the arms embargo. China, the world's fastest-growing major economy, has one of the largest defense budgets in the world and is spending heavily to modernize its armed forces.

Because of the Western arms embargoes, the country has been largely restricted to buying Russian military hardware in recent years. But Beijing has a long list of items it would like to buy from Europe, particularly French Mirage fighter jets and German stealth submarines.

The European Union foreign ministers agreed Monday to reconsider the ban and referred the issue to a panel of experts. But there was no indication that there would be substantive progress before the next summit meeting at the end of March as France would like.

The Netherlands, for one, has a standing parliamentary resolution that keeps the ban in place until there is clear evidence that human rights in China have improved.

Even Germany, which in December joined France in calling in principle for an end to the embargo, indicated Monday that the time was not yet ripe. "The German government does not feel ready now to lift the ban," the Reuters news agency quoted Germany's foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, as saying.

There is some concern that lifting the embargo now would add a destabilizing note to Beijing's relations with Taiwan, already strained by a plan put forth by Taiwan's president, Chen Shui-bian, to hold a national referendum in March on whether to demand that China remove missiles facing the island and renounce the use of force.

China maintains that Taiwan is a province under its sovereignty and that the island's political separation from the mainland is a historical anomaly left over from the country's 1949 civil war. Beijing demands fealty to that position by all countries with which it maintains relations. President Jacques Chirac dutifully repeated his country's commitment within hours of Mr. Hu's arrival in Paris on Monday.

"France is attached to the principle of there being one China," Mr. Chirac said when Mr. Hu raised the issue at the start of a four-day state visit, according to the French president's spokeswoman.

France has pulled out the stops for Mr. Hu's visit, lighting the Eiffel Tower red — China's national color. France is the only European country Mr. Hu is visiting on his four-nation tour, which will continue in Africa.


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PostPosted: 27 Jan 2004, 12:37 
We really ought to invade France.

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No we need an international collition. I was thinking of maybe having zimboway act as our proxy--over in 30 min when they show up with their spears. You know every weapon sold by the french comes with surrender instructions.


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I really dislike the french (so much so that I refuse to capitalize the first letter of their countries name.)

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We should never have given it back to them in '44.

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We could just let things run thier course. Look at how france let in those Muslim immigrants, then banned Hijabs.

Left to thier own devices, france would somehow end up pissing off China. Then we could make our move and look the other way.

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france lost my respect a while ago. Their own weapons will be there undoing. And the use of zimboway would be a good tactic.




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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2004, 01:47 
France is negotiating with Russia on collaboration of a new 5th generation fighter.

With allies like these...

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I say we punish them: Ban frogs legs and snails exports

"Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI


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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2004, 04:59 
I'd really rather just send the Cubscouts to invade.

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damn <img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle>ing French why cant they leave them alone? China needs a tiny country to help them get weapons, PUSSIES<img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle> Sniper's Right Lets invade them!<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/saevil.gif border=0 align=middle>

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And I woud like to be a fly on chirrac's wall now. When the world finds out that he was accepting kickbacks from hussein along with the germans. Oh what a humilliating place for him to be. And of course me being a royalist with English blood, it is very difficult for me not to smile. french humilliation, its a wonderfull thing.

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LETS SEE NOW,WHO DOES CHINA NEED PROTECTION FROM?
I GIVE UP!

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Tommy Franks has hit the lecture circuit, banking $100k a speaking engagement. When speaking about the French he said, "Them suckers!"


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I see nothing wrong with the French helping China or Russia to develop military weapons...In fact, knowing the history of French involvement in international arms developments, I would whole-heartedly encourage it.

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