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Hey guys, first time posting here, long time lurker. Great forum and great people so I hope you guys don't mind taking a few mins to help me out. I'm an addon/mod maker for Operation Flashpoint (pc videogame) and I'm a long time A10 fan so I wanted to bring the most realistic combat loadouts to the plane for OFP. I do it all for free of course and just have a quick question or two (or three, hehe).

I've searched the forum to some success. Basically I'm looking to made a few (maybe 3 or 4 if it's warranted) configurations of A10 that people can use in the game for typical A10 mission roles. So I need to know what sort of munitions to hang. So far after my research I have the following...

From left to right...

2 AIM-9F
7 2.75" rockets (HEAP 10 pounder)
AGM-65 (IR/laser guided mounted directly to pylon)
Mk82 Low Drag
GBU12
GBU12
Mk82 Low Drag
AGM-65 (IR/laser guided mounted directly to pylon)
7 2.75" rockets (HEAP 10 pounder)
ECM Pod

That's my standard CAS loadout based on info I found here. I'm in the process of making a version with all Mk82 in place of the 2xGBU12s. What other typical combat loads might be seen in combat? I recently found the picture below but it seems inaccurate. Any thoughts? Actually, come to think of it I have lots of questions but I won't ask them all here and now. But if you knowledgeable folks get a minute to answer even the stuff here I'd be very appreciative. Thanks!!

<img src="http://www.mphasemedia.com/extranet/flashpoint/A10loadouts.jpg" border=0>

No more than 4 mavs are ever loaded on the Hog.

That much i can tell you.

"It should come as a surprise only to the fools among the men of our generation that we liked war."

Major V. 'Popski' Poniakov, British LRG, WWII

To be honest, that loadout sheet there looks terribly hokey and incorrect. Just judging on the limited stuff I've read here it seems to be far from accurate. The jumbo rocket pods. The 6 mavericks. The wall to wall Rockeyes. But it's also the only sheet like that that I have seen, which is a bummer. Then again, I could be completely wrong but that's why I'm asking for a little insight. Heh!

The hog only rolls with 4 mavericks max because of wiring issues right? If I can remember correctly....



Edited by - Angus on Apr 07 2004 2:39 PM

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The hog only rolls with 4 mavericks max because of wiring issues right? If I can remember correctly....
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Actually the hog could and I stress could roll with the 6 mavs, but it only carries 2 on each rack cause launching the inboard mav could possible melt a tire. The load you proposed I have never seen loaded for a combat mission. It depends on the mission. WHat missions are you asking for and then we might be able to help with load outs.

HTH
JB

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Actually some A10's are modded to carry the Litening II pod on #9. The preferred option is a LAU88 on #3 with 3 Mavs.

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I'd make 2 inputs here:

Minor cosmetic difference, but most Hawgs carry the Aim 9M-9 not the Aim 9F

In my years of flying the Hawg we never carried GBU's, although we had mils for them. Sure they can, but not standard.

Cheer...

ATTACK!!!!!!!

Warthog30... You usually had what, 4 Mk82s under there?

The loadout I have already made was based roughly on AIR2MUD's post in this thread....

http://forum.a-10.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3022

I'm looking to cover these bases with load-outs... Correct me if I'm wrong, i.e. if the A10 doesn't fill such roles.

- Close Air Support - OFP's main focus is on ground warfare with groups of infantry and combined arms with armor. Typically you will find more IFVs and troops, than troops and heavy tanks. So I'm looking for something typically versatile. Obviously every mission varies a bit but sadly OFP doesn't allow for infinite combos (have to set them up ahead of time).

- Tank Hunting - A choice between the Apache and A10 for tank hunting would be nice. Though I hunt tanks with my previously mentioned loadout just fine, I wonder if it's even remotely correct.

- Ground Attack - Something for attacking lots of soft targets, say, out to find convoys, supply lines, etc.

- Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses - Go out and look for the smaller types of air defense: SA13, ZSU23, ZU-23.

Like I said, I'm open to suggestions even in what sort of role I should put the Hog. If there's something I'm missing that's obvious in terms of mission role, let me know. Thanks!



Edited by - Angus on Apr 07 2004 6:17 PM

IT ALL REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT TIMEFRAME.
1ST GULFWAR OR 2 ONE.

WE USUALLY WENT WITH 4 MAVS 4- CBU'S OR MK 20'S DURING DAYLIGHT.
NIGHTTIME STILL 4 MAVS BUT WOULD REPLACE 2 BOMBS WITH FLARE PODS

THE 2 GULFWAR THEY DID USE GBU'S BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN A HELLFIRE EVER LOADED ON A HOG.

BUT THAT IS A PRETTY WERID LOAD CART.
ONE THING FOR CERTAIN I NEVER SEEN A EXT TANK ON A COMBAT MISSION EITHER.
MOST OF THE TIME YOU WOULD CARRY 2 EXT TANKS ON LONG HOP'S

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Theres no hellfires on any USAF aircraft other than the Pred.

The hellfire has a very narrow engagement window, it was a system designed for low level helicopters....

Hellfire while a very potent weapon, is not one for a Highly manueverable aircraft. And for an A10 crew, they dont need asystem they cant deploy dynamicly.


In order for us to get the hellfire to work on the pred. We had to specially design the racks to provide that precise angle, and then we had to impose a flight envelope to prove the most optimal WEZ to deploy it.

That is not what you want on an a10.....

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Sorry if I confused anyone... I didn't mean to suggest hellfires on the Hog. I'm not sure how you guys got that idea but I've been known to write unclear things. My CAS load from before mentions AGM-65 (maverick). AGM-114 is the hellfire. Where'd you guys get the idea that I was mounting hellfires on the Hog? Just out of curiosity.

Anyways...

Gulf War 1 era is what timeframe I'm working in for now.

Ok so Daytime GW1 loadout from Goose looks very useful. Thanks for the info!! Two questions: What kind of CBU would you use? What flare pod would you use for night ops? Do you mean 2.75" flare rockets?

Thanks again.

Mudd, a bit off topic but since you bring it up. Would a hellfire be more or less manueverable than a maverick? We're scripting in fancy stuff for the game and recently added indirect fire mode (top attack) and a 120kph speed limit to simulate the envelop a bit. Are there specific weaknesses in the hellfire?

No such thing as a standard load. We takes whats we needs!

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Warthog30... You usually had what, 4 Mk82s under there?

The loadout I have already made was based roughly on AIR2MUD's post in this thread....

http://forum.a-10.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3022

I'm looking to cover these bases with load-outs... Correct me if I'm wrong, i.e. if the A10 doesn't fill such roles.

- Close Air Support - OFP's main focus is on ground warfare with groups of infantry and combined arms with armor. Typically you will find more IFVs and troops, than troops and heavy tanks. So I'm looking for something typically versatile. Obviously every mission varies a bit but sadly OFP doesn't allow for infinite combos (have to set them up ahead of time).

- Tank Hunting - A choice between the Apache and A10 for tank hunting would be nice. Though I hunt tanks with my previously mentioned loadout just fine, I wonder if it's even remotely correct.

- Ground Attack - Something for attacking lots of soft targets, say, out to find convoys, supply lines, etc.

- Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses - Go out and look for the smaller types of air defense: SA13, ZSU23, ZU-23.

Like I said, I'm open to suggestions even in what sort of role I should put the Hog. If there's something I'm missing that's obvious in terms of mission role, let me know. Thanks!



Edited by - Angus on Apr 07 2004 6:17 PM
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I'd put Ground Attack, CAS, and Tank Hunting together. Tank Hunting isn't a mission per se, it wold be included in a mission such as Killer Scout or Interdiction or Armed Recce. SEAD was done in DS1 but not really a preferred SEAD platform. The missions I'd add arer FAC-A, CSAR, and Interdiction.

Cheers...

ATTACK!!!!!!!

What TG said! Plus, nix the laser guided Mavs...they are USN/USMC only as far as I know...only seen EO and IR on the Hog.

--Raven

"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Excellent info indeed! I'll ditch the laser targetting on the Maverick.

Ok so let's see then, how about this.

- CAS - Multipurpose "general" load for a variety of things. As Warthog30 says, rolls together ground attack, CAS and tank killing. Basically what I have now but ditch the two GBU12s in favor of 2 more Mk82s. Should I go with the ballut Mk82s or the low drags? Back in DS1 did they run with those or the Snakeyes with the extending fins?

- FAC-A - Please ellaborate on what would be included, munitions-wise, for this kind of thing.

- CSAR - Anything in particular, munitions-wise? Hehe, deja vu.

- Interdiction - Do they really use the Hog for this? Should I go with this or SEAD?

It's a shame you can't configure your Hog based directly on the mission parameters in the game. Hope they add that to the features for the sequel.



Edited by - Angus on Apr 07 2004 9:12 PM

DURING GW1 THE HOG WAS USED FOR ABOUT EVERYTHING.

THEIR WHERE MISSIONS FOR AAA AND SAM SURPRESSION BUT USUALLY TEAMED UP WITH A F-4G WW ON THOSE MISSIONS . A-10 WAS BAIT. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT 6 CBU'S AND 4 MAV'S
SAR MISSIONS,WE NORMALLY HAD 4 HOG'S ON "SAR" ALERT LOADED WITH CBU'S AND 4 MAV'S
THE CBU'S WERE I THINK 52'S OR 58'S MK 20'S WERE FOR TANKS
MK 82 LDG WERE THOSE I THINK WE LOADED THE MOST.
PLUS ONE MISSION THAT THE HOG FLEW WITH 2000LB X2 AND ONLY 2 MAV'S TO GO AGINST OIL TRENCHS AND VALVES.
PLUS THE FIRST DAY OF THE AIRWAR THE A-10 TASKED TO TAKE OUT RADAR SITES WITH AGM 65 G MODELS OR I GET CONFUSSED ON THE LETTER. BIGGER THAN NORMAL WARHEADS I THINK THE NAVY USED THEM.

THEN THE BEACH USED TERS TO LOAD THEIR CBU'S OR MK20'S THE 23TFW DIDNT.
THE OTHER THING WAS ON NIGHT OP'S 4 IR MAVS WERE LOADED COMPARED TO DAYLIGHT WAS A MIX OF 2 OF EACH EO OR IR MAV.

SCUD HUNTING NO REAL LOAD EITHER CBU'S OR 82'S

JUST REMEMBER THE NO MORE THAN 4 MAV RULE,NO EXT TANK ON COMBAT MISSIONS
NO GUN PODS,NAPLAM,MERS.
AND IF USING PODS ONLY ONE LAU-88 WITH 3 MAVS.
GOT TO REMEMBER DURING GW1,ONLY THE 23RD TASS WAS A DEDICATED FAC A-10 UNIT.
THEY WENT WITH ROCKETS LOAED, AIM 9'S NOTHING ELSE.


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Goose, yep that is about right. i worked an ICT spot during gulf 1 with myrtly beach falcon section. The ony other load was a full HEI gun load with willie petes and cbu's. We only loaded that a few times.
JB

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I'M SURE WE RUBBED ELBOWS SOMEPLACE,SAME WITH FENDER.

I FORGOT ABOUT THE ALL HEI LOADS,I THINK THATS WHERE I CAME UP WITH THE TP GETTING LOADED IN PLACE OF DU ROUNDS.

ITS BEEN A LONG TIME.

BESIDES THE 74TH ON THE 23RD SIDE,WHO ON YOUR SIDE DID NIGHT OP'S?

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GOose.

falcon, 355th blue section. Were you at England when we hur-evaced there from the beach?


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I REMEMBER 2 TIMES THE BEACH CAME TO ENGLAND AFB WHILE I WAS THERE.
IF IT HAPPENED BETWEEN 4-85 TO 4-91 I WAS THERE.
ONE MUST OF BEEN A HURR A VAC BECAUSE IT WAS UNEXPECTED AND THEY PARKED YOU GUYS OVER IN THE "WEST BOONIES" THE HOT GUN AREA.MUST OF BEEN "KILO" ROW.
AINT THAT THE TIME YOU GUYS TORE-UP THE "ALEX HILTON".?

WE GOT TASKED TO START REFUELING YOUR JETS WHEN OUR "GREAT" PRO SUPER TOLD US TO START "BPO/PREFLIGHTS"<img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/pain10.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/pain10.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
THATS OK,I FINALLY GOT MY LEFT COCKPIT AIR VENT!
ANOTHER "K" WRITE-UP CLEARED

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Goose: a pro super that was a weapons troop, or just a stats/bullet hound? I leave on Wednesday, BTW...you going to be in Champaign, or should I try to catch you in June/July? Would love to meet you sometime..

--Raven

"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Edited by - thelastraven on Apr 08 2004 8:59 PM

Ya i remember that well. AFter a 20+ hr bus ride. I remember some of your guys were real HOT about the bpo/pre thingie. It was OK with us though <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. I cant remember where we stayed cause I went out with some friends that were stationed there. But I am sure that some did tear up the hotel cause they were drinking the whole way there!

JB

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YOU GUYS GOT THE "BUS RIDE"

THAT REALLY SUCKED!!!!!!!!!
I NEVER DID FIGURE OUT WHY THEY EVEN SENT YOU GUYS. WE COULD OF HANDLED IT.
WE WENT TO KANSAS FOR OURS,THAT WAS NICE TIME

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Ya I cant figure that one either cause all we did was launch them. I remember calling back to the beach the night the hurricane was supposed to hit, everyone was on the beach having a great time. Seems they got "hugo-itis" and jumped the gun.....but then again isnt that what supervision is supposed to do?

JB

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Couple more questions since you guys are good sports and answered everything so far....

Avenger recoil. I know it's roughly 9000 pounds or recoil and each engine creates roughly 9200 pounds of thrust. We've actually built in a script that slows the plane a little bit each time a round is fired and I'm wondering how much it should slow. This is a tough once unless you've actually flown our A-10 but I would say at 15 degrees dive @400kph and full throttle, a 1 second burst will lower your speed about 50kph. Good? Bad? Horrible? Thoughts?

Another Avenger question... What's the dispersion like on it at 1000m? How wide is the cone of doom? We have ours set at about 25m diameter (12.5m left and 12.5m right of aim) at a target 1000m away.

Since I live in MD I see A10s flying over my house all the time so I know roughly how loud they actually are, then again they're probably not flying wide open. Hehe, one of these days I'll go scope em out at the base and see if slipping someone a whopping $15 and some pocket lint can get me up close! LOL

EDIT: Oh yeah, are the flares manual on the A-10, back in DS1? And what in the world is a "Smokey Devil"? I read that somewhere in an A10 flight manual but couldn't find info on it anywhere on the net.

Cheers!



Edited by - Angus on Apr 10 2004 5:12 PM

Hey There Guys,
Not sure if it will help but this is roughly what we used last year when we were over in DS2.
STA 1: ECM pod
STA 2: LAU Rocket Pod (7-2.75 Rockets)
STA 3: AGM-65 (Single, Loaded on LAU-117)
STA 4: MK-82 (LDGP/HDGP depending on mission req.)
STA 5: MK-82 (LDGP/HDGP depending on mission req.)
STA 7: MK-82 (LDGP/HDGP depending on mission req.)
STA 8: MK-82 (LDGP/HDGP depending on mission req.)
STA 9: AGM-65 (Single, Loaded on LAU-117)
STA 10: LAU Rocket Pod (7-2.75 Rockets)
STA 11: AIM-9 Sidewinder (2)

Just an added note, this was our basic config for day ops. Night ops we just switched out the rockets on STA.10 for a SUU-25 Flare Pod.
We also used various model Mav's depending on day/night ops. We flew various CBU's too, but not all that much. Ammo was an HEI/DU mix.
Hope this helps.