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Did anybody else see the ABC Primtime special on the Veterans Hospitals last night. Some of the things that they reported and showed with their hidded camera's was horrifing to say the least.

"GLAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE AND HAVE BEEN PROUD TO HAVE SERVERED"

I CAUGHT IT LAST NIGHT TOO MIKE,

GO TO A VA HOSPITAL IF ANY OF YOU DONT BELIEVE THE REPORT.
UNDER STAFFED,OVER WORKED,ONES WHO CAN CARE LESS
DONT GET ME WRONG THE VA HOSPITALS HAVE A MAJORITY OF FINE,HARDWORKING PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE,BUT THEY CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH.
JUST THE DIFFEREANCE BETWEEN THE VA HOSPITAL IN CHICAGO AND THE ONE IN DANVILLE IL., DANVILLE IS HEAVEN

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I've seen that crap first hand Goose, i'm sure you have too.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

Kipling-

THATS THE BAD PART,THAT ANYONE HAS TO SEE IT

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My Father was a Corpsman in Vietnam with the 9th Marines "Walking Dead"
AS if he hadnt seen enough pain...He came back and worked at the VA for a couple years Making an 1/8th of what Civillian Hospitals were paying. He didnt do it forthe pay, But their came a time that enough was enough. He later went on to Wrenching on Fighters at hill.

I went to the VA once...I ended up leaving in the middle of the Visit.

If you want quality health care. It wont happen at the VA.

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

Hey guys I agree VA hospitals can be dumps at times, more out of lack of direction of purpose. However, I am very interested in your thoughts about a program I am reviewing right now, for my business model.

My company is focused on home and hospital based care that leverages techology through telemedicine. recently have had the opportunity to enter into a collaborative business arrangement with a non for profit that is focused on healthcare services. The first area of services will be based on Hospice and Palliative care.

The first concept basically ensures a patients right to die on their own terms with dignity, and tries to ensure a quality of life that is pain free during the last 120 day or so of a patients life once they have entered into a terminal stage of care. For instance how would can you give the patient the services necessary to die in his own bed with his family, instead of hooked up multiple ICU machines and possibly getting hospital related infection that only increase the pain and suffering.

The second concept is for patients who have a terminal disease but are not dying as of yet. Palliative care is focused on maintaining a quality of life pain management, and symptom management not a cure. Basically making the patient as functional as possible with the understanding at the end of the day he or she will enter into hospice care. This type of patient would be your Heart failure patients, degenerative disease patients, liver disease patients all of whom have a quality of life left that is better undisturbed by often experimental long short curative treaments (CHEMOTHERAPY) that cause the patient not to have a quality of life.

this care is not for patients who have a reasonable expectation of cure but patients who are suffering through terminal illness or just plain old terminal old age problems that do not benifit from heroric measures.

The reason I ask about this the VA has been charged to provide this new class of care system wide. It is not at every VA, but the VA will be the lead healthcare orgnization providing this type of care nation wide. Your thoughts welcomed.

The main reasons for offering this care is two fold one the high cost of ICU admissions basically for the terminally ill to die, and as means of finding a quality of life for the terminally ill.

Rudyard Kipling snipe...Good man, it about sums up the second Afghan war 1878-81...

My grandfather does not speak very highly of VA hospitals...I have been to a few of them for routine stuff, pretty depressing place to be...

MATT,
I HEARD ABOUT NEW PLAN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO,I'LL ASK SOMEMORE QUESTIONS AND GET BACK TO YOU.

BUT DYING WITH DIGNITY WOULD BE A BLESSING FOR ALOT OF THE VETS IN THE ICC WARDS.
MOST JUST WANT TO DIE AT HOME AND IN PEACE.

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goose that is one of the projects we want to work on. Basically using technology to deliver quality of life care to patients at home, not cures.

For instance meals, basic medicines, and means of communciation beyond basic telephone services.

Goose Drop me an email if you have any suggestions, by the way we talked about it in the past want some jumbalya mix and some tony's seasoning.

Boomer if you still want them getting ride of my old linux copys, the new stuff we did a network download on cant get current cd's.

Matt

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