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Based on the great info you guys have provided so far I've come up with these loadouts. There's no standard like someone said, but I'm just trying to cover the bases. Let me know what you think, and if you think of any better way to configure them, or a new config....

GENERAL PURPOSE
STA 1: ECM Pod
STA 2: LAU Pod (7 M151 HEAP 70mm Rockets)
STA 3: AGM-65 IR (LAU-117 mounted)
STA 4: MK-82 HDGP (Ballut fins)
STA 5: MK-82 HDGP (Ballut fins)
STA 7: MK-82 HDGP (Ballut fins)
STA 8: MK-82 HDGP (Ballut fins)
STA 9: AGM-65 IR
STA 10: LAU Pod (7 M151 HEAP 70mm Rockets)
STA 11: AIM-9 Sidewinder (2)
GAU-8: HE/APDU Combat Mix

CLOSE AIR SUPORT (DAY)
STA 1: ECM Pod
STA 2: LAU Pod (7 M156 WP 70mm Rockets)
STA 3: AGM-65 IR or EO (LAU-117)
STA 4: CBU-53
STA 5: CBU-53
STA 7: CBU-53
STA 8: CBU-53
STA 9: AGM-65 IR OR EO (LAU-117)
STA 10: LAU Pod (7 M156 WP 70mm Rockets)
STA 11: AIM-9 Sidewinder (2)
GAU-8: HE only

ANTI ARMOR (DAY)
STA 1: ECM Pod
STA 2: LAU Pod (7 M151 HEAP 70mm Rockets)
STA 3: AGM-65 (2 on LAU-88)
STA 4: Mk20 Rockeye
STA 5: Mk20 Rockeye
STA 7: Mk20 Rockeye
STA 8: Mk20 Rockeye
STA 3: AGM-65 (2 on LAU-88)
STA 10: LAU Pod (7 M151 HEAP 70mm Rockets)
STA 11: AIM-9 Sidewinder (2)
GAU-8: HE/APDU Combat Mix



Edited by - Angus on Apr 12 2004 10:34 AM

Edited by - Angus on Apr 12 2004 1:40 PM

If you're trying to create any kind of modern loadout, I would remove those CBU-53 and Rockeye.

TG,
THATS WHY I ASKED HIM EARLIER ABOUT TIMEFRAME,I NEVER SEEN A PRESENT DAY HOG LOADED EXCEPT IN PICTURES THAT HAWG166 AND DICE POSTED.
I ONLY SEEN 90-91 LIVE LOADS IN PERSON.

I THINK HE'S GOT EVERYTHING HE NEEDS.

PRESS TO TEST

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Angus: You won't see Mavs hung on 2 or 10. When they mentioned carrying 4 Mavs, they were hung from Stas. 3 and 9, hung on the center and outboard shoulders of a LAU-88. Also, I'm not sure about DS, but in MY time on the Hawg I've never seen an IR Mav on 3 with an ECM pod up. I have heard, but can't confirm, that there is some sort of interference between the ECM Pod and IR seeker head.

--Raven

"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Timeframe is DS1 Hogs.

Tiny, remove them and replace them with what? Mk82s?

EDIT: Ah, thanks Raven. So with those stations open, would there be nothing loaded there?



Edited by - Angus on Apr 12 2004 10:31 AM

Either nothing, Rocket Pods, or a SUU-25 with LUU-2, 4, or 19s.

--Raven

"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Thanks for clearing that up Raven. Appreciate it. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


Edited by - Angus on Apr 12 2004 1:41 PM

Angus,
you could remove them and replace them with GBU-12's on 5 & 7, with MK 82 LD's on 4 & 8, or MK 82 HD's on 4 & 8 depending on where the pilot is dropping them from.

GBU-12s wouldn't work for the time frame he is working in, but the 82's would.

--Raven

"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

IR MAV'S WERE LOADED WITH ECM PODS,MATTER AFACT NIGHT OP BIRDS FLEW WITH ECM 119 PODS AND 4 IR MAVS LOADED

NEVER HEARD ABOUT ANY PROBLEMS BETEWEEN TE 2

PRESS TO TEST

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Thanks for that piece of info. I don't know if it has to do with the difference between the 119s and 134s, or if maybe I was just informed wrong. I know while we were down at Bagram, we would re-config the jets for day and night flying twice a day, but to save time on re-configs we ended up keeping both Mavs up 24/7 (EO on 3, IR on 9) and just hanging the SUU-25s on 2.

Also, could any of you "old timers" or drivers tell me what goes into deciding to change a configuration for a given period of time, or sortie? If need be, contact me in private about it.


--Raven

"'When it comes to my turn, will you want me to go?' 'For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.'"

Edited by - thelastraven on Apr 13 2004 09:20 AM

I DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DO TODAY,
BUT OP'S TOLD US THE CONFIG'S.
BELIEVE ME WE'VE DID ALOT OF RE-CONFIG'S DUE TO SOMEONE CHANGING THEIR MINDS.
I'M TALKING MORE PEACETIME THEN THE SANDBOX.

THE IR MAV'S WE DIDNT GET ALOT OF PARTICE WITH BEFORE THE BOX. WE HAD ONLY A FEW IRTGM'S BUT MOSTLY ONLY THE EO'S.

LATER IN THE WAR IT CAME DOWN TO LOGISTICS,DIDNT WANT TO WASTE IR MAV'S IF A EO WOULD WORK.THATS WHY YOU SAW ALOT OF MIXED LOADS.



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Couple more questions since you guys are good sports and answered everything so far....

Avenger recoil. I know it's roughly 9000 pounds or recoil and each engine creates roughly 9200 pounds of thrust. We've actually built in a script that slows the plane a little bit each time a round is fired and I'm wondering how much it should slow. This is a tough once unless you've actually flown our A-10 but I would say at 15 degrees dive @400kph and full throttle, a 1 second burst will lower your speed about 50kph. Good? Bad? Horrible? Thoughts?

Another Avenger question... What's the dispersion like on it at 1000m? How wide is the cone of doom? We have ours set at about 25m diameter (12.5m left and 12.5m right of aim) at a target 1000m away.

Since I live in MD I see A10s flying over my house all the time so I know roughly how loud they actually are, then again they're probably not flying wide open. Hehe, one of these days I'll go scope em out at the base and see if slipping someone a whopping $15 and some pocket lint can get me up close! LOL

EDIT: Oh yeah, are the flares manual on the A-10, back in DS1? And what in the world is a "Smokey Devil"? I read that somewhere in an A10 flight manual but couldn't find info on it anywhere on the net.

Cheers!

Avenger recoil is nowhere near 50 kph. I have never noted any change in airspeed at any dive angle or airspeed. Think about it...We're not dealing simply with thrust, but momentum. Assuming your 9000 lb # is accurate and I have ~18K lbs of thrust, I could actually accelerate while firing the gun. F=M*A. Force = Mass times acceleration. If the mass is 45K lbs and the acceleration is positive (almost always the case while firing the gun) then in order to overcome the momentum of the jet and actually slow it down the recoil of the gun must be something greater than the value of F. I'm no physicist, so someone correct me if I'm wrong...



Edited by - Angus on Apr 10 2004 5:12 PM
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ATTACK!!!!!!!

Hey I can't argue with a guy who's flown them, I know that much! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I ask the question about the recoil simply because I've heard that the gun is capable of stalling the plane. Maybe that's urban legend, and when I do sit and think about it as you have said it makes sense that the gun wouldn't be an issue. So now I'm wondering what the big deal is about the round limiters and stuff like that. From my understanding it was always to deal with recoil forces. But yeah, maybe it's all just Hog Tales! Heh!

Speaking of the gun, is a 25m circle an accurate estimate of the gun's spread at 1000m?

Muchos gracias.

Edited by - Angus on Apr 14 2004 12:25 AM

That last question is probably getting a little too close to OPSEC.

If it's public info i'm sure the guys will answer, but it seems to me that it's probably not.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

Kipling-

Quick check to FAS (not the best of sources obviously) lists it as a 5mil accuracy. Which would put it the rounds in about a 10m circle at 1000m distance. That seems fairly consistant with their estimation of 1250m effective range. Seems my numbers are a tad high. If anyone can find non-classified info on the matter let me know. I'm a Google maniac but sometimes I miss stuff. Heh heh.

Now to figure out or find the lethal radius (from frag and overpressure) to troops in the open from a 500 pounder...