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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 11:55 
From today's NYP:

May 12, 2004 -- What cruel, sick bastards.

Indeed, you can't get much more barbaric than the filmed beheading of 26-year-old Nick Berg that splashed across a terrorist group's Web site yesterday.

In case the world needed a reminder of why America is waging its War on Terror, it got one yesterday.

It's hard to imagine the terror that must have filled Berg in those final moments as he realized his hooded captors really were going to kill him.

It wasn't enough that they slaughtered the young Philadelphia businessman like a sheep and held his severed head aloft as if it were a trophy. No, they filmed the whole thing for the world to see.

Soldiers don't behave like that.

Only cowards and thugs do.

Now it's time to ratchet up the response to this war.

Forget Abu Ghraib.

The abuse committed there by a handful of soldiers was not typical; nor is it acceptable.

But the beheading of Nick Berg is par for the course for al Qaeda.

Of course, the terrorists of Muntada al-Ansar, an al Qaeda offshoot, claimed they were acting in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib abuses.

Bull.

There were no known abuses at Abu Ghraib when Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi were murdered by Islamic terrorists.

And the events at Abu Ghraib had not yet come to light when frenzied crowds in Fallujah burned and mutilated the bodies of four Americans and strung them from a bridge.

No, the massacre of Nick Berg had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib.

Instead, this slaying was about the war against the West in general - and America, in particular. Indeed, the beheading may have been carried out personally by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top aide of Osama bin Laden.

Some people - some Americans - have forgotten about 9/11.

That attack should have been enough to justify all-out war. But the hand-wringing over the war in Iraq - and over even the modest steps America took to defend itself, like the Patriot Act - suggests that folks truly have lost sight of what the war is about.

Yesterday they got a shocking reminder. And now they know: This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

It can end only with the total annihilation of those who practice butchery and barbarism. Those who have set as their goal the destruction of America.

There is no negotiating with such people. There can be no compromise with those who mean to destroy us.

Yesterday, the White House promised to "pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." That's the least of it.

America has to come out swinging.

And not stop until every last one of the savage thugs is dead.

If that means a resumption of major combat in Iraq, so be it.

Would it mean another division or so of combat troops to get the job done?

Turn to our garrisons in Europe, or Korea, to get them.

In sufficient numbers to get the job done.

To hell with political sensitivities in the region.

To hell with negotiating with radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf and the Sunni insurgents in Fallujah.

To hell with handing Saddam Hussein over to Iraqis, as some want to do, and risking some reverse - perverse - kangaroo trial that results in his survival.

Evil, cutthroat terrorists need to be eradicated.

Let's face it: This is a job that's going to take overwhelming - yes, brutal - force. There is simply no "nice" or painless way to accomplish this.

As yesterday's slaughter showed (yet again), the enemy is bound by no moral compunctions.

America won't go that far.

But it had better steel it's backbone and get ready to fight like it means it.

It's the only way to win this war.


"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 12:00 
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Who wrote that, Bill O'Reilly?


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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 12:11 
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I whole-heartedly agree. Or we can play Tag Team and let us in on the action also...

"Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI


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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 12:13 
Dunno Trit, i'll find out though.

There will be no shortage of work for Israel in the dark days to come BR.



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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 12:17 
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I say loose Israel and make the Arab/Muslim's fear of "Greater Israel" a reality.


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True, and as bloody and macabre as this may seem, I can't wau to get in on the action.

"Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI


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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 13:14 
You'll feel a lot differently after you drop the hammer on someone, believe me.

That doesn't mean you're not doing the right thing though. That's the important part to always focus on.

You're killing monsters, not fellow human beings.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 13:18 
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Sad thing is, I know a messload of Arabs, some Muslim but most not, who agree with every word you see. I gladly call many of them my friend. Some of them even serve in the IDF, and knowing that they're out there protecting me only makes me want me to get there faster and return the favor.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>You're killing monsters, not fellow human beings. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

no, your still killing fellow human beings. Your just killing fellow human beings who through thier own actions have justified thier own destruction. Tear them up if you get the chance, just understand what you are doing and the reasons you are doing it and you'll be ok. They are no differant than bank robbers or the Manson family, they made thier choices and have to live (or not heh) with the consequences.

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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 14:35 
To me Booms, they are monsters- no more.

I've ran across their sort before. I treated them as such when it was me with the rifle in my hands.

The moment they surrender they become human beings again. Until that point they might as well be a Xenomorph.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 14:37 
Trit, this article was written by the editorial staff of the NY Post, no author is attributed, just the paper itself.

In other words it is the official position of the NY Post.

And mine.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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And shockingly there are still leftists & peacnicks that hold the Reservist at Abu Gharaib accountable for that & not al-qaeda. Just check my sig for a line from a convo with one I'm related to.

"And those al-qaeda guys that did that shouldn't take any of the blame? Slap them on the wrists for doing that!" ---convo w/ my leftist douche brother.

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PostPosted: 12 May 2004, 18:23 
Your brother is a douche if what you say is true.

Tell him i say so. ;)

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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Oh it's true. My younger brother idolises Micheal Moore and is the poster child for apologising for the actions of terrorists.

"And those al-qaeda guys that did that shouldn't take any of the blame? Slap them on the wrists for doing that!" ---convo w/ my leftist douche brother.

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PostPosted: 13 May 2004, 09:15 
In other words he's the enemy within.

See if he'll come here for a debate.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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bahaha I'll be sure to suggest it to him. Or at least give him your e-mail address and go one on one. Don't want to be <i>too</i> cruel & unusual to an actual relative. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

"And those al-qaeda guys that did that shouldn't take any of the blame? Slap them on the wrists for doing that!" ---convo w/ my leftist douche brother.

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