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ervani

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Posted: 14 May 2004, 14:23

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What isthis? what's the function? and what makes it fragile? the text fragile looks stupid on a Hog

<img src="http://www.dutch-flankers.net/zooi/A-10_fragile.jpg" border=0>

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Yojimbo

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Posted: 14 May 2004, 15:40

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all to do with ar flow

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gifted

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Posted: 14 May 2004, 15:50

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What Yajimbo said. That and that the things are not integrated into the structure of the aircraft, just bolted on. This makes it a bit easier to damage it. You'd really have to go up and take a closer look than those photos to see what I mean.

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MrMudd

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Posted: 14 May 2004, 17:30

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Composite airfences. They simply direct airflow in High AOA and Bank angles (SLIP). Mostly to prevent a disrupted airflow situation to the Engines.

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sgtgoose1

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Posted: 14 May 2004, 19:03

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HIT IT WITH YOUR HEAD OR YOUR BACK AND YOU THINK TWICE ABOUT THE TEXT.

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ervani

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Posted: 14 May 2004, 19:26

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Is it added afterwards? mean it wasn't part from the first production of the Hog?

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Hogpen13

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 06:49

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I thought those had more to do with airflow over weapons stations 5&7? The only A-10 without these were the two YA-10s, the 6 preproduction and all production aircraft had/have them.

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jbpig

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 07:24

Joined: 23 Jan 2004, 15:09
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I have to go woth dice on this one, the slats direct airflow to the eng, at high AOA, not the windfence. Goose is correct also, smack your head on em am you will not forget they are there.

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Hogpen13

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 08:24

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The story I heard was the airflow over 5 & 7 would cause bombs on a MER or TER to "hang" for a fraction of a second throwing off the drop. By placing the windfences there they "split" the airflow down the middle of the bomb racks improving separation.

Fender are you there bud, we need some weapons inputs here!!!

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fenderstrat72

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 11:46

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Dice, I was told the same thing as you. It had to do with the weapon stations 5,6,& 7. All I know is when you are taking out the ammo drum the one on the left is easily damaged if you are not careful.

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jbpig

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 12:24

Joined: 23 Jan 2004, 15:09
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Location: Louisville, KY

yep, and crew dogs get very upset at the weapons guys!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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ervani

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 14:43

Joined: 13 Feb 2003, 05:20
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Thnx

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sgtgoose1

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 17:47

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ALSO THOSE FUNNY SIZE FRONT BOLTS,YOU HAD TO ORDER BECAUSE THEY STOCKED THE SHORT ER ONES AND 1 THAT WAS TOO LONG ON BENCH STOCK.
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Hogpen13

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 18:39

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
ALSO THOSE FUNNY SIZE FRONT BOLTS,YOU HAD TO ORDER BECAUSE THEY STOCKED THE SHORT ER ONES AND 1 THAT WAS TOO LONG ON BENCH STOCK.
DAMN K WRITE

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Goose, I would bet that 75% in the field are not by TO specs today...what a pain to install for such a simple part!!

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sgtgoose1

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 19:53

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I'M SURE OF THAT ,YOUR RIGHT ITS SUCH A SIMPLE THING TOO.
BUT YOU COULD NEVER GET THE RIGHT DAMN BOLT AND SUPPLY WOULD CALL THE SHORTY'S SUITABLE SUBS.
THOSE BOLTS WERE $$$$$$ BIG BUCKS THEN I CAN IMAGINE NOW.

ITS FUNNY THE THINGS YOU REMEMBER LIKE SAFETY WIRING THE LEFT ELEVATOR ACTUATORS.

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jbpig

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 20:16

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

ITS FUNNY THE THINGS YOU REMEMBER LIKE SAFETY WIRING THE LEFT ELEVATOR ACTUATORS.

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You actually safty wired thoes things???<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> Just kiddin, once you do them a few times you get the hang of em. I worked phase for my last 3 years and got real good at them. I do have to say that the dual brake control valve was the worst.<img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle>

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prkiii

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Posted: 15 May 2004, 23:19

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

ITS FUNNY THE THINGS YOU REMEMBER LIKE SAFETY WIRING THE LEFT ELEVATOR ACTUATORS.

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You actually safty wired thoes things???<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> Just kiddin, once you do them a few times you get the hang of em. I worked phase for my last 3 years and got real good at them. I do have to say that the dual brake control valve was the worst.<img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle>

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you know...as much of a pain in the as$ some parts were to work...I sure do miss the old girl....

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sgtgoose1

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Posted: 16 May 2004, 19:13

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CONTROL VALVE <img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/bounce.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/tard.gif border=0 align=middle> I AGREE THERE,

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a10stress

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Posted: 17 May 2004, 06:37

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
They simply direct airflow in High AOA and Bank angles (SLIP). Mostly to prevent a disrupted airflow situation to the Engines.
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Mudd has the straight dope. This is my recollection. The fences are part of the fix put on to relieve engine airflow distortion. The major items in the fix are the wing slats and the "Mach alpha" sensor in the leading edge that decides when to throw them out. The third item is the stall strip on the outer wing leading edge that provides stall warning. The way it was told to me, wind tunnel smoke tests showed a vortex eminating from the wing/fuselage intersection that got swallowed by the engine at high alpha. The fences eliminated it. These three things were put on as a package and have not ever been tested individually. I thought the fences were made from thin aluminum skin with aluminum honeycomb, not composite, but it could have been changed. They are very light but prone to damage, especially right next to those store stations. I don't think anyone knows the effect the fences have on store separation. I don't think any separation tests were done (wind tunnel or flight test) without the fences.

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Hogpen13

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Posted: 17 May 2004, 08:17

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Thanks A10stress for giving us the straght-scoop! Sorry MrMudd for calling your knowladge into question! <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

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jackb

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Posted: 17 May 2004, 16:42

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The windence isn't too fragile to put a bump on your head when your not paying attention. But it doesn't stand a chance when hit with a chock by a SNCO who shall remain nameless to break it loose from all that sealant. It had been being removed to FOM, but was obviously R2'd after that. Lil Hitler knows what I'm talking about. (disclaimer before that old man kicks my ass: it wasnt him)

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M21 Sniper

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Posted: 17 May 2004, 17:26

There's one thing i know from being around A-10s up close- there are a LOT of things that are in an excellent position to smash you on the melon!!!

Air2Mudd drove it into my head to be careful under the bird before we even got to the hangar, lol.

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And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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sgtgoose1

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Posted: 18 May 2004, 10:38

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SPENT A COUPLE OF DAYS IN ER FOR HOG BITES TO THE HEAD AND BACK

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Lil Hitler

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Posted: 18 May 2004, 13:47

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Lil Hitler knows what I'm talking about. (disclaimer before that old man kicks my ass: it wasnt him)

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Jack I'm glad you Clarified that, I'd hate for you to have to call your mother and... ah you know the rest. (LOL)

I'm not sure of the extent of the damaged caused by that nameless SNCO but I do know he hit a several times before it came loose and ultimately had to be NRTS'd

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I thought the fences were made from thin aluminum skin with aluminum honeycomb
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I'm pretty sure they are still constructed of aluminum skin with honeycomb, or at least the last time I saw one that was damaged enough to see the inside it was.

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fenderstrat72

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Posted: 18 May 2004, 14:59

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Air2Mudd drove it into my head to be careful under the bird before we even got to the hangar, lol.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I was a victim of the F-5 panel UHF antenna. Ouch, 5 stitches. The worst I remember seeing was Bobby Starr ran into an open speedbreak and layed his melon open good.

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and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
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